Hello
my climate cellar is finished.
Four weeks ago, a staircase with a shed for garden tools underneath was built above it.
The entrance to the climate cellar is approved as a staircase, so it leads straight down from the south. The height difference is about 225cm (7 ft 5 in). The stairwell is 128cm (50 inches) wide.
Now, the formwork carpenters were a bit overenthusiastic and built more formwork than the plan shows. The formwork for the stairs extends up to 50cm (20 inches) close to the entrance and is at a height of 105cm (41 inches). (I hope I am describing this clearly enough.) With two steps I can reach a maximum of 150cm (59 inches). That is not enough.
Now I am thinking of planning the entrance from the east. I would go down four steps, have a small landing and then build the rest of the stairs turning towards the north.
So I come in from the east, have four steps that are 50cm (20 inches) wide, then a landing about 40cm (16 inches) deep and 50cm (20 inches) wide. Then a right turn and the remaining steps are no problem.
Of course, the building authority (building permit/planning permission office) will probably not be thrilled during a possible inspection. But I would rather not do a rebuild.
Would the offered compromise be feasible given the tight space?
Steven
my climate cellar is finished.
Four weeks ago, a staircase with a shed for garden tools underneath was built above it.
The entrance to the climate cellar is approved as a staircase, so it leads straight down from the south. The height difference is about 225cm (7 ft 5 in). The stairwell is 128cm (50 inches) wide.
Now, the formwork carpenters were a bit overenthusiastic and built more formwork than the plan shows. The formwork for the stairs extends up to 50cm (20 inches) close to the entrance and is at a height of 105cm (41 inches). (I hope I am describing this clearly enough.) With two steps I can reach a maximum of 150cm (59 inches). That is not enough.
Now I am thinking of planning the entrance from the east. I would go down four steps, have a small landing and then build the rest of the stairs turning towards the north.
So I come in from the east, have four steps that are 50cm (20 inches) wide, then a landing about 40cm (16 inches) deep and 50cm (20 inches) wide. Then a right turn and the remaining steps are no problem.
Of course, the building authority (building permit/planning permission office) will probably not be thrilled during a possible inspection. But I would rather not do a rebuild.
Would the offered compromise be feasible given the tight space?
Steven
Hello,
you’re right, I wouldn’t understand this without a drawing either.
The left side (facing south) is the stairwell. The dashed line above it shows the stair landing (which should extend at least 30 cm (12 inches) further to the right). The red dashed line indicates the proposed staircase solution. On the right side, there is another cross-section of the stairwell and garden stairs. This clearly shows that the landing is extended too far forward.
Steven
you’re right, I wouldn’t understand this without a drawing either.
The left side (facing south) is the stairwell. The dashed line above it shows the stair landing (which should extend at least 30 cm (12 inches) further to the right). The red dashed line indicates the proposed staircase solution. On the right side, there is another cross-section of the stairwell and garden stairs. This clearly shows that the landing is extended too far forward.
Steven
Birkenfelder3 Dec 2019 08:49Hello,
I don’t think the small landing will be very practical for you. Personally, I find the risk of tripping too high if someone comes down the stairs and steps too far inside, especially when trying to “cut” the landing.
How often will this access be used? Will large items need to be carried up and down? If not, I would look into spiral staircases (available pre-galvanized for order). A straight, single-flight staircase without a landing would become extremely steep.
I don’t think the small landing will be very practical for you. Personally, I find the risk of tripping too high if someone comes down the stairs and steps too far inside, especially when trying to “cut” the landing.
How often will this access be used? Will large items need to be carried up and down? If not, I would look into spiral staircases (available pre-galvanized for order). A straight, single-flight staircase without a landing would become extremely steep.
Hello Birkenfelder
The staircase is only used occasionally. Large items are never carried underneath it. As mentioned, it is a climate-controlled cellar. Potatoes, beets, carrots, etc.
Occasionally a bottle of wine.
There is also a water and food supply stored down there for an emergency day (as recommended by the federal government).
I would prevent shortcuts with a railing.
A spiral staircase is a good idea and is plan B. How can I calculate it?
Steven
The staircase is only used occasionally. Large items are never carried underneath it. As mentioned, it is a climate-controlled cellar. Potatoes, beets, carrots, etc.
Occasionally a bottle of wine.
There is also a water and food supply stored down there for an emergency day (as recommended by the federal government).
I would prevent shortcuts with a railing.
A spiral staircase is a good idea and is plan B. How can I calculate it?
Steven
Birkenfelder3 Dec 2019 11:20Hello,
I know that there are spiral staircases available, for example from the company Lichtgitter. I would leave the calculations to the manufacturer.
On their website, there is an inquiry form where you can enter your preferences and dimensions.
However, I have not dealt with spiral staircases myself before.
There are definitely owners of spiral staircases here who know other manufacturers and can share their experiences.
I know that there are spiral staircases available, for example from the company Lichtgitter. I would leave the calculations to the manufacturer.
On their website, there is an inquiry form where you can enter your preferences and dimensions.
However, I have not dealt with spiral staircases myself before.
There are definitely owners of spiral staircases here who know other manufacturers and can share their experiences.
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