ᐅ Smart Home Standard Roller Shutter Motors in New Construction?

Created on: 13 Jun 2021 16:05
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Simon-L
Hello everyone,

My girlfriend and I are currently in the middle of building our house. Since last week, the shell is basically weather-tight – roof on, windows installed! Unfortunately, there has been a misunderstanding with the window installer and, consequently, also with the electrician, and I’m a bit unsure how to solve this best.

I have been reading through the forum for a while now but feel somewhat overwhelmed 🤨

Here’s the situation:
The window installer installed Somfy ILMO WT motors as well as three "Roma Elero JA Soft blind motors." We didn’t know the exact model names beforehand and assumed the motors could be controlled wirelessly, as this was our understanding during the consultation. Unfortunately, this is not the case, and we are left with standard motors.

The electrician, during the rough-in, pulled all the necessary cables from the distribution board through the ceiling to each room and installed several empty conduits inside the rooms.
There is no direct connection from the blinds to the distribution board; instead, there is only an empty conduit running from each blind to the door.

Now the question is, how can we implement a proper, up-to-date control system with moderate effort and without extremely high costs?
We don’t want to have to operate everything manually all the time...

Do we need a bus system? And can this still be properly wired? Is there a simpler way?
I have also come across flush-mounted receivers, but as I understand it, we would need a switch for each blind.

Or should we even replace the motors?! (Assuming we will have to bear the costs ourselves!)

What we would actually like:
- Standard pushbuttons to control the blinds in SOME rooms, but not all.
(Bedrooms, study, living room for the patio door… but not, for example, in the bathroom or stairwell)
- Time-based control of all blinds/shutters (up in the morning, down in the evening)
- A remote control (or even an app), so we can still operate each blind individually if needed

Thanks in advance! 🙂

Best regards
Simon
Schimi179116 Jun 2021 05:25
Strahleman schrieb:


Wireless systems are always a bit tricky. And judging by the way the original poster writes, I don’t think they have a deep understanding of the subject to fix errors “quickly.” That often leads to frustration and dissatisfaction. Everyone in the house has light switches and power outlets. So why give up on push buttons at the windows? They don’t make the house any less attractive either.

We have deliberately chosen not to use switches and instead rely on the remote control, smartphone, or Wi-Fi/radio (TaHoma). So far, there have been no problems with anything not working.
There are many situations where a wireless system is not, for example, “secured” by cables.
But well ... users just work differently. My sister, for example. 🙂
untergasse4316 Jun 2021 09:40
fab101 schrieb:

With all due respect, that is nonsense. I have the system myself and the control works 100%.
My sincere congratulations on that. At my grandmother’s, powerline networking also works from the living room to the hallway, but for 8 out of 10 others, it is rubbish. The same applies to Digitalstrom, based on experience.
Mycraft16 Jun 2021 09:47
Powerline technology has always faced significant challenges, especially when dealing with larger sizes and quantities. That’s why most manufacturers move away from it or don’t start with it at all. Digital powerline systems are no exception. Latency also increases with system size, and beyond a certain point (which unfortunately arrives faster than you’d like), it simply stops being enjoyable to use. On top of that, there is the issue of accelerated component aging due to thermal stress, since you’re working with 230V.

And I won’t even get started on the costs…

But hey, if you’ve never experienced anything else, it might seem like it works quite well…
OWLer16 Jun 2021 10:38
This thread is very timely. We had to decide on the switch system this week, and I have temporarily put the “critical” roller shutter switches on hold. The reason is that our neighbors already warned us that, even with the current summer temperatures, the short morning sunlight exposure on our east-facing windows will cause significant temperature issues.

The standard installation would include some kind of Gira switch, Up/Down - with programming (sunrise/sunset) available as an upgrade. The venetian blinds will also have Gira switches with electronics for the wind sensor.

He would also install Shelly devices for me if I provide them, and then add a changeover switch in front.

The “smart” standard would be Homematic’s HM-LC-Bl1PBU-FM. However, I would need the Homematic central unit to use features like sun position control or similar smart functions, right?

If I had to decide now, I would go for Shelly. The Eltako series 64 also looks very good, and we have Apple devices in the household. It would be nice to have native HomeKit support, but that won’t help me if I have to make a decision within the next few weeks.

What are the advantages of Homematic if we set aside the wireless topics?
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netuser
16 Jun 2021 10:48
OWLer schrieb:


If I had to decide now, I would go with Shelly. Eltako series 64 also looks very good and Apple is used in the household. It would have its charm with native HomeKit, but that doesn’t help me if I have to make a decision within the next few weeks.

Then just install the Shellys cheaply and that’s it. Either you’re satisfied with how it works and stick with it, or you can easily upgrade to, for example, ELTAKOS (native HomeKit) at a later date.
Tolentino16 Jun 2021 13:57
Yes, go with the Shellys, then we will have something in common that we can help each other with (You’re still getting the Arotherm plus 75/6, right?)...