ᐅ Smart Home Standard Roller Shutter Motors in New Construction?
Created on: 13 Jun 2021 16:05
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Simon-L
Hello everyone,
My girlfriend and I are currently in the middle of building our house. Since last week, the shell is basically weather-tight – roof on, windows installed! Unfortunately, there has been a misunderstanding with the window installer and, consequently, also with the electrician, and I’m a bit unsure how to solve this best.
I have been reading through the forum for a while now but feel somewhat overwhelmed 🤨
Here’s the situation:
The window installer installed Somfy ILMO WT motors as well as three "Roma Elero JA Soft blind motors." We didn’t know the exact model names beforehand and assumed the motors could be controlled wirelessly, as this was our understanding during the consultation. Unfortunately, this is not the case, and we are left with standard motors.
The electrician, during the rough-in, pulled all the necessary cables from the distribution board through the ceiling to each room and installed several empty conduits inside the rooms.
There is no direct connection from the blinds to the distribution board; instead, there is only an empty conduit running from each blind to the door.
Now the question is, how can we implement a proper, up-to-date control system with moderate effort and without extremely high costs?
We don’t want to have to operate everything manually all the time...
Do we need a bus system? And can this still be properly wired? Is there a simpler way?
I have also come across flush-mounted receivers, but as I understand it, we would need a switch for each blind.
Or should we even replace the motors?! (Assuming we will have to bear the costs ourselves!)
What we would actually like:
- Standard pushbuttons to control the blinds in SOME rooms, but not all.
(Bedrooms, study, living room for the patio door… but not, for example, in the bathroom or stairwell)
- Time-based control of all blinds/shutters (up in the morning, down in the evening)
- A remote control (or even an app), so we can still operate each blind individually if needed
Thanks in advance! 🙂
Best regards
Simon
My girlfriend and I are currently in the middle of building our house. Since last week, the shell is basically weather-tight – roof on, windows installed! Unfortunately, there has been a misunderstanding with the window installer and, consequently, also with the electrician, and I’m a bit unsure how to solve this best.
I have been reading through the forum for a while now but feel somewhat overwhelmed 🤨
Here’s the situation:
The window installer installed Somfy ILMO WT motors as well as three "Roma Elero JA Soft blind motors." We didn’t know the exact model names beforehand and assumed the motors could be controlled wirelessly, as this was our understanding during the consultation. Unfortunately, this is not the case, and we are left with standard motors.
The electrician, during the rough-in, pulled all the necessary cables from the distribution board through the ceiling to each room and installed several empty conduits inside the rooms.
There is no direct connection from the blinds to the distribution board; instead, there is only an empty conduit running from each blind to the door.
Now the question is, how can we implement a proper, up-to-date control system with moderate effort and without extremely high costs?
We don’t want to have to operate everything manually all the time...
Do we need a bus system? And can this still be properly wired? Is there a simpler way?
I have also come across flush-mounted receivers, but as I understand it, we would need a switch for each blind.
Or should we even replace the motors?! (Assuming we will have to bear the costs ourselves!)
What we would actually like:
- Standard pushbuttons to control the blinds in SOME rooms, but not all.
(Bedrooms, study, living room for the patio door… but not, for example, in the bathroom or stairwell)
- Time-based control of all blinds/shutters (up in the morning, down in the evening)
- A remote control (or even an app), so we can still operate each blind individually if needed
Thanks in advance! 🙂
Best regards
Simon
netuser schrieb:
From my point of view, this is currently the best choice,in what way? What is the unique selling point here? I don’t see anything special.Mycraft schrieb:
In what way? What is the unique selling point here? I don’t see anything special.Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, and EnOcean integrated. HomeKit connection possible without an additional hub or central unit.
As far as I know, there are no comparable actuators available at the moment.
Do you have any recommendations?
Ah, I see. More is better. Of course, for upgrading a modern model railway (aka smart home), this is probably what you might want or need. Although I honestly can’t understand why anyone would want or need a separate IP connection for every actuator or switch.
But well, to each their own.
But well, to each their own.
Mycraft schrieb:
Ah, I see. More is better. Well, for the modern model railway (aka smart home) as an upgrade, it might be what you want/have to have. Although I honestly don't understand why anyone would want to have a separate IP connection for every actuator/switch.
But hey, to each their own. Please don’t get me wrong, but also don’t compare apples and oranges!
We are not talking about comparing KNX with the mentioned actuators, but rather with, for example, the Shellys or similar devices mentioned here in the thread. And only in this comparison (if you want, also with Rademacher, Bosch, Homematic...) do the mentioned ELTAKO devices seem to me to be the more elegant solution when it comes only to controlling the roller shutters! And that’s what the original poster was asking about, right? 😉
Oh, there were quite a few more replies here 😀
We definitely don’t want a separate switch for every roller shutter, and I don’t see any problem with that. The switches will only be missing for windows that aren’t very important anyway.
Children’s rooms, bedrooms, living rooms, offices, etc. will of course have switches. But for example, in the hallway or bathrooms, where we have frosted glass, we don’t need any.
Even if something doesn’t work sometimes, which hopefully will be the exception, it’s not a big deal.
The Shelly 2 / 2.5 modules definitely seem like a really cool and simple solution that is also quite affordable. However, I have read several times that these devices get insanely hot, and the manufacturer even recommends using special wiring that can handle up to 105 degrees Celsius (221°F). Standard wiring is, I believe, rated for about 70 degrees Celsius (158°F) or so?!
Honestly, that gives me a bad feeling, so those devices are rather off the table for me.
We will probably go with Homematic IP now. They come both as flush-mounted modules and as switches, and we can use our standard switch design with them.
It’s a bit more expensive, but seems like a very well-executed and, of course, a very comprehensive option – please correct me if I’m wrong.
We definitely don’t want a separate switch for every roller shutter, and I don’t see any problem with that. The switches will only be missing for windows that aren’t very important anyway.
Children’s rooms, bedrooms, living rooms, offices, etc. will of course have switches. But for example, in the hallway or bathrooms, where we have frosted glass, we don’t need any.
Even if something doesn’t work sometimes, which hopefully will be the exception, it’s not a big deal.
The Shelly 2 / 2.5 modules definitely seem like a really cool and simple solution that is also quite affordable. However, I have read several times that these devices get insanely hot, and the manufacturer even recommends using special wiring that can handle up to 105 degrees Celsius (221°F). Standard wiring is, I believe, rated for about 70 degrees Celsius (158°F) or so?!
Honestly, that gives me a bad feeling, so those devices are rather off the table for me.
We will probably go with Homematic IP now. They come both as flush-mounted modules and as switches, and we can use our standard switch design with them.
It’s a bit more expensive, but seems like a very well-executed and, of course, a very comprehensive option – please correct me if I’m wrong.
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nordanney14 Jun 2021 15:29Simon-L schrieb:
We will probably go with Homematic IP now. It is available both as a flush-mounted module as well as a switch, and we can use it with our regular switch range.
It's a bit more expensive, but it seems to me to be a very well-designed and obviously very comprehensive solution – please correct me if I’m wrong. Like other providers as well. It works reasonably well (we had frequent connection drops in the past, so the actuators had to be re-paired repeatedly – but that was several years ago).
Simon-L schrieb:
The Shelly 2 / 2.5 modules definitely seem like a very cool and simple solution, and they are quite affordable. However, I have read multiple times that these can get absurdly hot. Normally not.
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