ᐅ Small Plot, Narrow Driveway – Required Space for Turning Around
Created on: 23 Sep 2023 08:06
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Bauen1899
Hello everyone,
We have purchased a backland plot in the city and would like to start building on it now.
Our problem is the 3-meter (10 feet) wide and 25-meter (82 feet) long driveway.
As can be seen in the picture, a swept path curve has already been drawn to the lower area, so that we can reach the 90-degree, also 3-meter (10 feet) wide driveway in front of the house.
However, we don’t want to have to back out of this long driveway forever and definitely want an option to turn around both from the garage at the top and from the parking space in front of the house below.
Since the plot is already small and we want to keep as much garden space as possible, we are reluctant to move the house further east.
Are there also reverse swept path curves that show the driving route?
How much space do we need? Is the swept path already drawn sufficient to turn around with a single maneuver?
Personally, I see the problem more from the garage at the top than from the parking space. Do you agree?
We need to split the front part of the plot soon, and therefore we have to determine exactly how much space we require.
Our car is an Opel Astra (approximately 4.4 meters (14.4 feet) long).
Or do you think a diagonal line would even be more practical?
Thank you all in advance for any help and feedback.
We have purchased a backland plot in the city and would like to start building on it now.
Our problem is the 3-meter (10 feet) wide and 25-meter (82 feet) long driveway.
As can be seen in the picture, a swept path curve has already been drawn to the lower area, so that we can reach the 90-degree, also 3-meter (10 feet) wide driveway in front of the house.
However, we don’t want to have to back out of this long driveway forever and definitely want an option to turn around both from the garage at the top and from the parking space in front of the house below.
Since the plot is already small and we want to keep as much garden space as possible, we are reluctant to move the house further east.
Are there also reverse swept path curves that show the driving route?
How much space do we need? Is the swept path already drawn sufficient to turn around with a single maneuver?
Personally, I see the problem more from the garage at the top than from the parking space. Do you agree?
We need to split the front part of the plot soon, and therefore we have to determine exactly how much space we require.
Our car is an Opel Astra (approximately 4.4 meters (14.4 feet) long).
Or do you think a diagonal line would even be more practical?
Thank you all in advance for any help and feedback.
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Bauen189925 Sep 2023 16:4211ant:
No, we can manage the building encumbrance.
Just to clarify: the white area does not belong to us, nor to the front house's property. The driveway runs directly 3 meters (10 feet) along the left side of the house to ours.
A fence is not planned.
Basically, the driveway belongs to both parties. We are just avoiding a third parcel and the related building encumbrance, of course with a right of way.
I’ve also considered the “appene corner.” But isn’t that structurally problematic, since the greatest load is usually on the corners? Otherwise, it would definitely be a great solution.
Hanghaus2023, I think that’s a bit too much for us. As mentioned, we’d like to have a decent garden on the east side since the terrace will clearly dominate the south area anyway.
Nida35a: It probably won’t just be this curve (turning curve), but also a diagonal from the start to the end of the curve (so a few square meters more). The extra few square meters should definitely make it easier to back into the garage, and it’s also not a bad idea to have some paved areas for playing, etc. (but, as I said, not too much).
But the idea of a rounded corner at the top left would be great if it would allow driving in forwards and reversing out. I might have to ask the architect if that’s feasible.
No, we can manage the building encumbrance.
Just to clarify: the white area does not belong to us, nor to the front house's property. The driveway runs directly 3 meters (10 feet) along the left side of the house to ours.
A fence is not planned.
Basically, the driveway belongs to both parties. We are just avoiding a third parcel and the related building encumbrance, of course with a right of way.
I’ve also considered the “appene corner.” But isn’t that structurally problematic, since the greatest load is usually on the corners? Otherwise, it would definitely be a great solution.
Hanghaus2023, I think that’s a bit too much for us. As mentioned, we’d like to have a decent garden on the east side since the terrace will clearly dominate the south area anyway.
Nida35a: It probably won’t just be this curve (turning curve), but also a diagonal from the start to the end of the curve (so a few square meters more). The extra few square meters should definitely make it easier to back into the garage, and it’s also not a bad idea to have some paved areas for playing, etc. (but, as I said, not too much).
But the idea of a rounded corner at the top left would be great if it would allow driving in forwards and reversing out. I might have to ask the architect if that’s feasible.
Bauen1899 schrieb:
Just to clarify. The white area is neither ours nor the property of the front house. The driveway runs directly 3 meters (10 feet) past the left house to ours. [...] I’m not going to extract from you, in tiny pieces on page 42 of this thread, what information is still missing due to your, let’s say, information policy here, in order to provide proper advice. With some advice-seekers on forums, I’m honestly glad they don’t come to me as paying clients ;-).
Bauen1899 schrieb:
I had also thought about the "appene Ecke" (chamfered corner). But isn’t that structurally poor, since the highest load is usually on the corners? With a clipped (chamfered) corner, you actually gain two corners, so effectively one more than before. Your assumptions (and the error in them) cannot be determined for reasons stated above. But even if you probably don’t do this to annoy those helping you, it’s too exhausting for me to work like that. That’s not good for my work/joy balance ;-(
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As the original poster here casually crosses property boundaries, rounds off corners of neighboring plots, and seems to decide building restrictions on their own—I just can’t follow that anymore.
What official usage rights are documented here, how large is the house exactly, can floor space still be saved with a basement, and would, for example, rotating the house be allowed with a pure east-facing garden?
What official usage rights are documented here, how large is the house exactly, can floor space still be saved with a basement, and would, for example, rotating the house be allowed with a pure east-facing garden?
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Bauen189925 Sep 2023 19:53The front house does not exist yet, and the plot was just purchased together with the front party. So the question of exactly where to make the division is currently open. Therefore, there is still a lot of flexibility.
A purely east-facing garden wouldn’t be ideal, as there are tall trees there. That’s why we’re thinking of having the terrace on the south side and a mainly lawn area more towards the east.
Approximately 150m2 (1,615 sq ft) over 2.5 floors are planned (and also permitted), so that we can build compactly and still retain as much of the plot as possible.
I will definitely include the corner gained in this way.
A purely east-facing garden wouldn’t be ideal, as there are tall trees there. That’s why we’re thinking of having the terrace on the south side and a mainly lawn area more towards the east.
Approximately 150m2 (1,615 sq ft) over 2.5 floors are planned (and also permitted), so that we can build compactly and still retain as much of the plot as possible.
I will definitely include the corner gained in this way.
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Bauen189925 Sep 2023 21:20We were thinking of about 75 m² (800 sq ft) on the ground floor and first floor, plus a study and storage space in the attic. That would make it just over 9 meters (30 feet) tall approximately.
Do you think that might be too high for such a small floor area?
Do you think that might be too high for such a small floor area?
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