Hello,
we are planning to build a single-family house with a secondary apartment (with around 180 sqm (1,940 sq ft) of living space) as a replacement building in the Osnabrück district, but we have no knowledge about construction, which is why I ended up here hoping to get some advice.
So far, we have had an appointment with a local Town & Country provider as well as with a well-known civil engineer. With the former, we do not have a very good feeling, partly due to their apparently limited experience with the legal specifics of building in rural areas, but also because of the many compromises that such a house would involve. With the civil engineer, we feel much more comfortable, but we are unsure whether it even makes sense to build with someone like that and how realistic the quoted price of about 1800 euros per sqm (only for the house, excluding additional costs, landscaping, etc.) is.
Therefore, at the moment I am mainly interested in whether it would be sensible to consult another provider, for example an architect, or if we can confidently proceed with the next steps (land surveying and preliminary building inquiry) with the civil engineer? Additionally, due to our lack of knowledge, I would be very grateful for any tips on what to consider.
Thank you very much in advance and best regards.
we are planning to build a single-family house with a secondary apartment (with around 180 sqm (1,940 sq ft) of living space) as a replacement building in the Osnabrück district, but we have no knowledge about construction, which is why I ended up here hoping to get some advice.
So far, we have had an appointment with a local Town & Country provider as well as with a well-known civil engineer. With the former, we do not have a very good feeling, partly due to their apparently limited experience with the legal specifics of building in rural areas, but also because of the many compromises that such a house would involve. With the civil engineer, we feel much more comfortable, but we are unsure whether it even makes sense to build with someone like that and how realistic the quoted price of about 1800 euros per sqm (only for the house, excluding additional costs, landscaping, etc.) is.
Therefore, at the moment I am mainly interested in whether it would be sensible to consult another provider, for example an architect, or if we can confidently proceed with the next steps (land surveying and preliminary building inquiry) with the civil engineer? Additionally, due to our lack of knowledge, I would be very grateful for any tips on what to consider.
Thank you very much in advance and best regards.
Plan with 2,000 euros per square meter (1,860 USD per square yard) plus additional construction costs, exterior landscaping, demolition, and contingency.
You have not included many costs in the scope of work description. Some services are still based on standards from 1985, for example, electrical work. Tiles are included, often in small formats and lower price ranges. It’s best to visit the sample showroom to see what is available for this price.
You have not included many costs in the scope of work description. Some services are still based on standards from 1985, for example, electrical work. Tiles are included, often in small formats and lower price ranges. It’s best to visit the sample showroom to see what is available for this price.
Lololein schrieb:
For Town & Country, the price per square meter would be significantly lower than the mentioned 1800 euros/sqm (about 167 USD/sqft), which is why we hoped that figure was somewhat realistic. Two things are somewhat realistic:
1. Reports from homeowners who have built within the last year, provided their region’s price level is comparable and these people share a similar perspective on which features are considered important;
2. That noticeable undercuts of the prices experienced in this context are achieved by excluding certain items categorized as "construction side" from the scope of work – the potential savings from skipping things like gold-plated faucets tend to be overestimated.
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Yes, that sounds reasonable. We'll try to get some other quotes as well. If the price per square meter is still above 2000 euros/sqm (about 186 sq ft), the new build project becomes much less attractive to me, as the plan was already more out of necessity (not finding a suitable used property and being advised against a major renovation of the existing house for economic reasons).
Yes, that sounds reasonable. We'll try to get some other quotes as well. If the price per square meter is still above 2000 euros/sqm (about 186 sq ft), the new build project becomes much less attractive to me, as the plan was already more out of necessity (not finding a suitable used property and being advised against a major renovation of the existing house for economic reasons).
Lololein schrieb:
When the price per square meter is still above 2000 euros/sqm, the new build project becomes significantly less attractive for me, You really need to strongly advise against the owner-occupied adventure to people for whom the calculations only just barely work out, and this applies even more so in cases where one has to hope for unexpected price reductions. Things simply have their prices, and these have never decreased when demand is high.
You can save money by going for a "simple rectangular practical" layout without corner windows, if the car doesn’t get its own garage, and generally by avoiding any unnecessary luxury.
Lololein schrieb:
not finding a suitable used property and being advised against a comprehensive renovation of the existing house for economic reasons Searching for a used property is fundamentally not a wrong strategy. Most people make the mistake of searching in the wrong way. If they didn’t find anything at all, they would notice that themselves. Instead, they often find plenty of properties which unfortunately are either junk or priced unattractively. I know this sounds like easy advice, but: you must be active when buying. That means: stay away from anything someone just wants to get rid of. Real estate agents are often involved when a property hasn’t sold on the open market for voluntary reasons (which won’t be fixed just by hiring an agent). Likewise, you should keep your distance from "well-maintained" properties: in plain terms, this often means the seller thinks outdated materials that are no longer fit for modern standards are worth half the new price just because they aren’t scratched – resulting in irreconcilable price expectations. On the other hand, you can find great bargains if the seller is aware the property is outdated and you don’t mind having moss green or Bahama beige sinks. Or even better: a bolt staircase – in ten years, these will be absolutely trendy and hip again. Inheriting joint ownerships are also very problematic because there’s pretty much always one eccentric involved who is out of touch with current market prices. Attractive properties can be found through divorce lawyers – where else does Barthel get the best deals? I have shared more insights here: https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/wie-lange-habt-ihr-bis-zum-Bau-Entschluss-gebraucht.29507/page-4#post-295144
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Golfi90 schrieb:
I’m from Ostercappeln.
We will end up paying 1850€ per m² (1850€ per m²) with our construction company for a turnkey build. So the estimates are realistic.
We are building with Schmieshaus from Rieste.
Otherwise, Schrandt Planen und Bauen is also very popular here. But the scope of work is somewhat better with Schmieshaus...
Are you planning to do some work yourself?Have you already started building?