ᐅ Single-family house in the initial design stage – your feedback is requested
Created on: 9 Oct 2017 19:49
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Bauherrin2018
Hello house building forum members,
We look forward to your opinions and comments and will start simply with the list of questions:
Zoning Plan / Restrictions
Plot size: 781 sqm (8,409 sq ft) minus 90 sqm (968 sq ft) for access road (plot is already owned)
Slope: No, at most a very slight incline towards the east
There is no zoning plan or other restrictions
Homeowners’ Requirements
Style, roof shape, building type: Gable roof 45°
Basement, number of floors: no basement, 1.5 floors
Number and age of occupants: 2 people (both 28 years old)
Space requirements on ground and upper floors: see sketches
Office: family use or home office? Often home office
Guests per year: minimal
Open or closed architecture: Open architecture
Conservative or modern construction: modern
Open kitchen, kitchen island: Open kitchen, no kitchen island
Number of dining seats: 6-8 people
Fireplace: If possible, yes
Balcony, roof terrace: Terrace adjacent to dining and living room with option for a conservatory in a few years
Garage, carport: Not necessarily from the start, can be added later
House Design
Planned by whom: Do-it-yourself + inspiration from various model homes
What do you particularly like? Why? Open kitchen, glass front facing garden/terrace
What do you dislike? Why?
Cost estimate according to architect/planner: no offers obtained yet/maybe someone can roughly estimate what costs we should expect
Personal price limit for the house, including fittings: currently being clarified
Preferred heating system: What is recommended nowadays?
If you have to give up, on which details / extras
-can you give up: room sizes in general, house area
-can you not give up: open kitchen
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan, summarized in 130 characters?
We hope for some suggestions and improvements regarding the layout, orientation, and size of the house that we may have overlooked in the heat of the moment.
We already thank you for your comments and your time 🙂




We look forward to your opinions and comments and will start simply with the list of questions:
Zoning Plan / Restrictions
Plot size: 781 sqm (8,409 sq ft) minus 90 sqm (968 sq ft) for access road (plot is already owned)
Slope: No, at most a very slight incline towards the east
There is no zoning plan or other restrictions
Homeowners’ Requirements
Style, roof shape, building type: Gable roof 45°
Basement, number of floors: no basement, 1.5 floors
Number and age of occupants: 2 people (both 28 years old)
Space requirements on ground and upper floors: see sketches
Office: family use or home office? Often home office
Guests per year: minimal
Open or closed architecture: Open architecture
Conservative or modern construction: modern
Open kitchen, kitchen island: Open kitchen, no kitchen island
Number of dining seats: 6-8 people
Fireplace: If possible, yes
Balcony, roof terrace: Terrace adjacent to dining and living room with option for a conservatory in a few years
Garage, carport: Not necessarily from the start, can be added later
House Design
Planned by whom: Do-it-yourself + inspiration from various model homes
What do you particularly like? Why? Open kitchen, glass front facing garden/terrace
What do you dislike? Why?
Cost estimate according to architect/planner: no offers obtained yet/maybe someone can roughly estimate what costs we should expect
Personal price limit for the house, including fittings: currently being clarified
Preferred heating system: What is recommended nowadays?
If you have to give up, on which details / extras
-can you give up: room sizes in general, house area
-can you not give up: open kitchen
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan, summarized in 130 characters?
We hope for some suggestions and improvements regarding the layout, orientation, and size of the house that we may have overlooked in the heat of the moment.
We already thank you for your comments and your time 🙂
Have you considered relocating the stairs toward the guest toilet and storage room? Then place the office where the stairs used to be (you might not want to walk through the office every time you need to get to the utility room). You could then move the storage room to the office’s previous location, with access to both the utility room and the guest toilet. By the way, I find 5 square meters (54 square feet) quite spacious for that. You can easily manage on 3 square meters (32 square feet) as well.
I think the upper floor looks nice overall, although as mentioned, the sloped ceilings in the bathroom might not fit well.
Using an entire room as a storage or junk room is expensive, but I think it’s a great idea.
I think the upper floor looks nice overall, although as mentioned, the sloped ceilings in the bathroom might not fit well.
Using an entire room as a storage or junk room is expensive, but I think it’s a great idea.
Hello everyone,
First of all, thank you very much for the great feedback!
@Nordlys
A dormer is planned for the bathroom – we think that 12sqm (130 sq ft) will be sufficient.
@ypg
1. Yes, the hallway is indeed very long and narrow. However, we definitely want the kitchen to face the driveway.
2. The staircase will of course be dimensioned properly – that’s correct.
3. And yes, the square meters are somewhat enhanced – in the upper floor the sloped ceilings have not yet been deducted, and we have not yet fixed the knee wall height (about 1.60m (5 ft 3 in)).
4. Regarding utilities: We marked the water point in red – the yellow point shows the wastewater connection (see attachment).
@11ant
1. Yes, you understood correctly. The plot will be divided, and there will also be construction in the front area (see attachment).
2. The drawing is our first sketch (wall thicknesses have been neglected so far).
3. As mentioned, the bathroom with dormer and roof slopes have not yet been included.
@Invi85
1. The house should be placed as far as possible into the northeast corner to use the space in front.
2. Connections are shown in the attachment (red = water supply / yellow = wastewater) – we will of course take the potential overbuilding into account.
3. We will reconsider the hallway.
4. We find the orientation of the living and dining rooms optimal as is.
@kbt09
1. The technical room idea is just a first concept – but it won’t bother anyone back there.
@kaho674
1. We will definitely consider your idea in the next draft – it significantly improves the hallway. And as you already mentioned, guests will then be directed to the front door.
@Evolith
1. We have already thought about possibly enlarging the bathroom to live on the ground floor in older age – the office would then be converted into a bedroom. The upper floor could be used for non-everyday purposes.
During the week, we will adjust the sketches a bit and ask for your feedback again.
Thank you all in advance!

First of all, thank you very much for the great feedback!
@Nordlys
A dormer is planned for the bathroom – we think that 12sqm (130 sq ft) will be sufficient.
@ypg
1. Yes, the hallway is indeed very long and narrow. However, we definitely want the kitchen to face the driveway.
2. The staircase will of course be dimensioned properly – that’s correct.
3. And yes, the square meters are somewhat enhanced – in the upper floor the sloped ceilings have not yet been deducted, and we have not yet fixed the knee wall height (about 1.60m (5 ft 3 in)).
4. Regarding utilities: We marked the water point in red – the yellow point shows the wastewater connection (see attachment).
@11ant
1. Yes, you understood correctly. The plot will be divided, and there will also be construction in the front area (see attachment).
2. The drawing is our first sketch (wall thicknesses have been neglected so far).
3. As mentioned, the bathroom with dormer and roof slopes have not yet been included.
@Invi85
1. The house should be placed as far as possible into the northeast corner to use the space in front.
2. Connections are shown in the attachment (red = water supply / yellow = wastewater) – we will of course take the potential overbuilding into account.
3. We will reconsider the hallway.
4. We find the orientation of the living and dining rooms optimal as is.
@kbt09
1. The technical room idea is just a first concept – but it won’t bother anyone back there.
@kaho674
1. We will definitely consider your idea in the next draft – it significantly improves the hallway. And as you already mentioned, guests will then be directed to the front door.
@Evolith
1. We have already thought about possibly enlarging the bathroom to live on the ground floor in older age – the office would then be converted into a bedroom. The upper floor could be used for non-everyday purposes.
During the week, we will adjust the sketches a bit and ask for your feedback again.
Thank you all in advance!
Bauherrin2018 schrieb:
The idea of the technical room is just a first thought – but back there it won’t bother anyone. Tax offices don’t allow the home office deduction if the room is a passageway.
Bauherrin2018 schrieb:
The plot will be divided, and building will also take place in the front area. Personally, I would probably find the front building plot more appealing. Entering my property via such a long, narrow corridor would feel uncomfortable to me.
Bauherrin2018 schrieb:
The upper floor can then be used for less frequent activities. The idea of simply leaving the upper floor to ghosts in old age (ghosts that, as long as you’re still a young child, live under the bed) seems naive to me – just as does the idea that these rooms would then be popular with potential tenants. I think the option of moving to another house will be more commonly chosen in the future.
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Bauherrin2018 schrieb:
and we haven’t decided on the knee wall height yet (about 1.60m (5 ft 3 in)) I forgot to mention this point earlier 🙂
What would you do with such a high knee wall? A 45° roof pitch means that just 1 meter (3 ft 3 in) away from the exterior wall under the eaves, you’re already 1 meter (3 ft 3 in) high. In other words, with an additional 1 meter (3 ft 3 in) knee wall, you’re already at 2 meters (6 ft 7 in) — standing height. So at this roof pitch, such a tall knee wall isn’t necessary. Besides, a knee wall this high combined with a dormer (sometimes called “Gaube”) would create, visually speaking, a somewhat unusual proportion. Finally, combining a steep roof pitch with a high knee wall often compromises the "one-and-a-half-story" character and effectively turns the attic space with sloped ceilings into a full upper floor by building code calculations.
There is a common simplistic idea that “higher = better” when it comes to knee walls, but you also need to consider the relationship between the parapet height and the “relative” eaves height: a knee wall height that falls between the desired dimensions for the bottom and top edges of window openings means on that side either a lower top edge for facade windows, or possibly a higher bottom edge for roof windows, or correspondingly “angled” windows or dormers.
Therefore, I usually advise against excessively tall knee walls; practical and common heights are generally around 100 to 125 cm (39 to 49 inches).
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