Hello everyone,
At our developer, a customer who had reserved a plot of land dropped out. Since the other plot faces south / southwest, we didn’t hesitate long and switched to that plot. The new plot is smaller, so we gave up on our bungalow dream. The plot number is 5.
To remind you: The plot is tied to the developer.
I have been thinking over the past few days about the arrangement and design of the rooms and the plot, and I would first like to know if the concept is okay. I am not concerned with details inside the rooms such as windows, doors, or bathroom design. That’s not possible anyway since I created the floor plan myself based on Gussek Haus floor plans. However, I tried to design it as well as possible. For this reason, I want to share the floor plan here for discussion. I’m mainly looking for feedback on the layout and room arrangement, as well as ideas, suggestions, or tips. Maybe you’ll also spot things that “just don’t work” or are not practical for everyday living.
I created the floor plan with RoomSketcher, but only used the free version, so many features are limited. Please ignore the room dimensions on the upper floor. There is a dormer in the area of the home office.
A few more details about the house.
Roof pitch 38°
Knee wall (Drempel) 100cm (39 inches)
External dimensions 12.85 x 9.60 m (42.2 x 31.5 feet) (enlarged, original dimensions of Gussek Haus models are smaller)
Unfortunately, I cannot show internal room dimensions because RoomSketcher does not allow it.
Attached again is the completed questionnaire.
Development Plan / Restrictions
Plot size: 676m²
Slope: NO
Site coverage ratio: 0.4 (allowed exceedance 25 out of 100)
Floor area ratio: 0.6
Building envelope, building line, and boundaries: On the north side / south side approx. 20.5 m (67 feet) wide, west and east sides approx. 33 m (108 feet) wide, 3 m (10 feet) building setback on each side, rectangular plot, clearly visible in the pictures
Edge construction setback: 3 m (10 feet)
Number of parking spaces: no requirement
Number of stories: maximum 2 full stories
Roof style: Gable roof, hipped roof
Other requirements: Garage must be 5 m (16 feet) from the property boundary. Garage on the west side because the curb is lowered there.
Homeowners’ Requirements
Architectural style, roof type, building type: Doesn’t matter, initially considered a house with a gable roof, there is a dormer in the home office area
Basement, number of floors: No basement due to high groundwater level
Number of occupants, ages: 4 people aged 36 (female), 37 (male), 3 (child), 1 (child)
Space requirements on ground floor and upper floor:
Ground floor: Living/dining/kitchen area, utility room, guest WC with shower, hallway with coat area and stairs to upper floor, guest room / playroom
Upper floor: Master bedroom, 2 children’s rooms, bathroom, storage room, office
Office use: Family use or home office? Home office combined with family use
Guests per year: 1–2 times
Open or closed architecture: Closed architecture?
Conservative or modern style: A mix of both
Open kitchen, kitchen island: Closed kitchen with island would be nice but not a must; open kitchen is also an option
Number of dining seats: 4, with the option for 6
Fireplace: No
Music / stereo wall: Sound system in the living room
Balcony, roof terrace: No
Garage, carport: Space for 2 cars is required, preferably 3 to 4. Currently considering a garage (3 x 6 m / 9.8 x 19.7 feet) with a carport (3.6 m / 12 feet) in front, not sure if that works. Plus 2 parking spaces in front of the house.
Utility garden, greenhouse: No
Additional wishes / special features / daily routine, including reasons why certain things should or shouldn’t be:
House Design
Who created the design:
- DIY - copy and combination of Gussek Haus models Lindenallee, Kiefernallee variant 1, and Buchenallee variant 2
What do you especially like? Why?
- Large closed kitchen with island and direct / short access to the terrace
- Living room close to the terrace
- Guest / playroom on the ground floor
- Storage room on the upper floor with washing machine and dryer
- Utility room with washing machine and dryer (yes, twice)
- 6 rooms
- Layout of rooms on the upper floor
What do you not like? Why?
- Location of the home office on the upper floor is not ideal in my view, but I could live with it
Price estimate from architect/planner: No new estimate so far
Personal price limit for house including features: 400,000
Preferred heating system: Heat pump
Why does the design look like it does now? For example:
Copy-paste of Gussek Haus models Lindenallee, Kiefernallee variant 1, and Buchenallee variant 2
What is the most important fundamental question about the floor plan summarized in 130 characters?
Is the room layout okay?
At our developer, a customer who had reserved a plot of land dropped out. Since the other plot faces south / southwest, we didn’t hesitate long and switched to that plot. The new plot is smaller, so we gave up on our bungalow dream. The plot number is 5.
To remind you: The plot is tied to the developer.
I have been thinking over the past few days about the arrangement and design of the rooms and the plot, and I would first like to know if the concept is okay. I am not concerned with details inside the rooms such as windows, doors, or bathroom design. That’s not possible anyway since I created the floor plan myself based on Gussek Haus floor plans. However, I tried to design it as well as possible. For this reason, I want to share the floor plan here for discussion. I’m mainly looking for feedback on the layout and room arrangement, as well as ideas, suggestions, or tips. Maybe you’ll also spot things that “just don’t work” or are not practical for everyday living.
I created the floor plan with RoomSketcher, but only used the free version, so many features are limited. Please ignore the room dimensions on the upper floor. There is a dormer in the area of the home office.
A few more details about the house.
Roof pitch 38°
Knee wall (Drempel) 100cm (39 inches)
External dimensions 12.85 x 9.60 m (42.2 x 31.5 feet) (enlarged, original dimensions of Gussek Haus models are smaller)
Unfortunately, I cannot show internal room dimensions because RoomSketcher does not allow it.
Attached again is the completed questionnaire.
Development Plan / Restrictions
Plot size: 676m²
Slope: NO
Site coverage ratio: 0.4 (allowed exceedance 25 out of 100)
Floor area ratio: 0.6
Building envelope, building line, and boundaries: On the north side / south side approx. 20.5 m (67 feet) wide, west and east sides approx. 33 m (108 feet) wide, 3 m (10 feet) building setback on each side, rectangular plot, clearly visible in the pictures
Edge construction setback: 3 m (10 feet)
Number of parking spaces: no requirement
Number of stories: maximum 2 full stories
Roof style: Gable roof, hipped roof
Other requirements: Garage must be 5 m (16 feet) from the property boundary. Garage on the west side because the curb is lowered there.
Homeowners’ Requirements
Architectural style, roof type, building type: Doesn’t matter, initially considered a house with a gable roof, there is a dormer in the home office area
Basement, number of floors: No basement due to high groundwater level
Number of occupants, ages: 4 people aged 36 (female), 37 (male), 3 (child), 1 (child)
Space requirements on ground floor and upper floor:
Ground floor: Living/dining/kitchen area, utility room, guest WC with shower, hallway with coat area and stairs to upper floor, guest room / playroom
Upper floor: Master bedroom, 2 children’s rooms, bathroom, storage room, office
Office use: Family use or home office? Home office combined with family use
Guests per year: 1–2 times
Open or closed architecture: Closed architecture?
Conservative or modern style: A mix of both
Open kitchen, kitchen island: Closed kitchen with island would be nice but not a must; open kitchen is also an option
Number of dining seats: 4, with the option for 6
Fireplace: No
Music / stereo wall: Sound system in the living room
Balcony, roof terrace: No
Garage, carport: Space for 2 cars is required, preferably 3 to 4. Currently considering a garage (3 x 6 m / 9.8 x 19.7 feet) with a carport (3.6 m / 12 feet) in front, not sure if that works. Plus 2 parking spaces in front of the house.
Utility garden, greenhouse: No
Additional wishes / special features / daily routine, including reasons why certain things should or shouldn’t be:
House Design
Who created the design:
- DIY - copy and combination of Gussek Haus models Lindenallee, Kiefernallee variant 1, and Buchenallee variant 2
What do you especially like? Why?
- Large closed kitchen with island and direct / short access to the terrace
- Living room close to the terrace
- Guest / playroom on the ground floor
- Storage room on the upper floor with washing machine and dryer
- Utility room with washing machine and dryer (yes, twice)
- 6 rooms
- Layout of rooms on the upper floor
What do you not like? Why?
- Location of the home office on the upper floor is not ideal in my view, but I could live with it
Price estimate from architect/planner: No new estimate so far
Personal price limit for house including features: 400,000
Preferred heating system: Heat pump
Why does the design look like it does now? For example:
Copy-paste of Gussek Haus models Lindenallee, Kiefernallee variant 1, and Buchenallee variant 2
What is the most important fundamental question about the floor plan summarized in 130 characters?
Is the room layout okay?
C
Chrisi19066 May 2020 15:1011ant schrieb:
That hardly referred to a hip roof. You will NEVER get a hip roof instead of a gable roof within the budget for two double casement windows.
Is the question "why give up on looking bad" serious? – I explained elsewhere https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/dachfenster-Haltbarkeit-pflege-Wartung.34816/#post-400686 that giving up on pseudo-luxury is the key opportunity to achieve a city villa instead of a wannabe villa. Okay, you mean the house can still be made cheaper. We can always switch a hip roof for a gable roof.
Regarding the second point: yes, the question was serious. Please be straightforward, I don’t understand what you are getting at.
Chrisi1906 schrieb:
The door from the kitchen to the utility room is intentional because it allows for a nicely sized guest WC. In the other sketches, the guest WC was smaller.
However, it would be quite easy to enlarge the guest WC in these sketches as well, while also enjoying the advantage of a bigger living room. It’s not rocket science to adjust the two rooms as desired. But okay, if you don’t want to.
Besides that, your kitchen island as drawn seems quite impractical, doesn’t it? How long is the 1.20m (4 feet)? Has that already been erased? If so, it’s best to remove it completely to avoid confusing everyone repeatedly.
Patio doors behind the sofa are also impractical.
This huge bathroom is just ridiculous as it is now. So either add a sauna, a whirlpool, or something else. At minimum, a walk-in shower and a double vanity should be standard here. The fact that you still bump into the wall right when entering, despite this being such a large space, is really astonishing.
C
Chrisi19066 May 2020 15:18kaho674 schrieb:
Wasn’t the door from the kitchen to the utility room considered an absolute no-go? Now it’s actually included. In that case, I would reconsider Würfel’s design from #88. The living room looks much nicer there.
If only the exact wall measurements were available instead of just those of the windows, it would be easier to help with the window layout on the front. But for that, you really need to know precisely where the walls are. Here are the exact measurements. It would be great if you could help me with this. Many thanks.
Chrisi1906 schrieb:
Okay, you mean the house can be obtained even cheaper. We can still switch from a hip roof to a gable roof.You still have no real understanding of roof structure construction or what the different options mean financially. The builder was referring here to swapping a knee wall with a raftered gable roof for a straight wall floor with a trussed gable roof, I’m quite sure about that. Choosing a hip roof will multiply that five-thousand surcharge by four.Chrisi1906 schrieb:
Regarding the second point. Yes, the question was serious. Please be straightforward, I don’t understand what you’re getting at.You should not undermine the possibilities of aesthetic articulation by immediately disrupting them with a two-tone color scheme. For example, that would really disrupt a floor-spanning stairwell window solution, and in general, it would be more of a limitation than a guiding principle or “half the battle.”https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
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C
Chrisi19066 May 2020 15:4511ant schrieb:
You still don’t have any real understanding of roof structure construction and what the different options mean financially. The builder was talking about exchanging a knee wall with rafter roof structure for a full-height wall with a truss roof structure, I’m sure about that. With a hip roof, you would multiply that five-thousand-euro surcharge by four.
You shouldn’t limit the possibilities of an aesthetic design by immediately breaking it up with a two-tone color scheme. For example, that would completely detract from a multi-story stairwell window design, and overall it would be more of a restriction than a guiding principle or a “half the battle.” This is how it went. The builder quoted us a price, then I asked why the price per square meter was so high. The builder said, “Because we have to cut the bricks and the floor plan is so large.” I thought, “That can’t be the only reason.” I learned from you that a rafter roof structure is more expensive. I can confirm that I don’t have much expertise.
Still, the additional cost difference between a rafter roof structure versus a hip roof with two full stories is not €5000. I also understand that we can get it even cheaper with a truss roof structure.
Ok, I turned on the automatic dimensioning – which I usually don’t do. But this way you get a rough idea of the window positions. Unfortunately, the measurements often go to four decimal places and are not 100% precise. You’ll need to adjust and round them yourself. I had to move one wall by a few centimeters (see red circle). It might be an option to replace the floor-to-ceiling window by the staircase on the ground floor with a standard window at sill height. Both options are possible. Nothing is set in stone yet. Maybe someone has some ideas for improvements?