ᐅ Single-family house, 3 children's bedrooms, 2 bathrooms, approximately 10.5 x 10.5 meters (approximately 34.5 x 34.5 feet)
Created on: 7 Jan 2020 11:13
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Holson!
Hello everyone,
we are currently planning a single-family house. We have a general contractor who is also handling the architectural design. The first proposal was quite standard and didn’t fully satisfy us, so we developed the plans further ourselves. Attached is the current version, and we would appreciate feedback especially on the location/type of the staircase and the living/dining area on the ground floor. All other information is below. Thank you very much!
Development plan/restrictions
Plot size: 511 m2 (5500 sq ft approx.)
Slope: minimal: 1 m (3.3 ft) elevation drop from west to east (over 16 m (52.5 ft))
Site coverage ratio: 0.35
Floor area ratio: 2 full floors
Building zone, building line and boundary: 2.5 m (8.2 ft) side clearance, 3 m (9.8 ft) to street
Edge development: Garage allowed
Number of parking spaces: 1.5
Number of floors: 2 full floors
Roof shape: Gable roof, 32° pitch
Style direction
Orientation: North/South, ridge line west/east
Maximum heights/limits: Max ridge height 7.50 m (24.6 ft)
Other requirements
Client requirements
Style, roof shape, building type
Basement, floors: Basement, 2 full floors
Number and age of occupants: 2 adults, 3 children (5, 3, 1)
Room needs, ground floor, upper floor: Ground floor: kitchen, dining area, living room, guest WC, guest room/office. Upper floor: master bedroom, 3 children’s rooms, 2 bathrooms
Office: Family use
Open kitchen, kitchen island
Number of dining seats: 8
Fireplace: yes
Balcony
Garage
Special features: bay window for dining area, upper floor: direct access to master bathroom from bedroom. Master bedroom facing garden, ideally 2 children’s rooms facing garden.
House design
Origin of the design:
- Planner of a general contractor
- Do-it-yourself
What do you particularly like? Why?
Basically all requirements are met; only the room proportions could be improved.
What do you dislike? Why?
Currently, there is a large open space between living and dining that is not used effectively.
Due to the current staircase layout and resulting passage to the living room, the TV area in the living room is somewhat narrow. Ideally, it should be about 4 m (13 ft) wide.
On the upper floor, access to the master bath is via a small corridor behind the stairs. Ideally, this “dead space” could be eliminated by a different staircase shape or positioning.
Price estimate according to architect/planner: approximately 560,000 (excluding land)
Personal price limit for the house, including fittings: 580,000
Preferred heating system: Gas condensing boiler
If you had to give up something, which details/extensions
-could you give up: 3 rooms facing the garden
-could you not give up: 2 bathrooms
Why has the design ended up like this? For example:
Design from planner adapted and further developed with our own ideas.
Basically, the requirements are met, but we do not yet find the room layouts ideal. The living room on the ground floor should be somewhat wider.
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
Is the staircase appropriate in shape and placement? Can the living room be wider and the unused space between rooms on the ground floor smaller?
we are currently planning a single-family house. We have a general contractor who is also handling the architectural design. The first proposal was quite standard and didn’t fully satisfy us, so we developed the plans further ourselves. Attached is the current version, and we would appreciate feedback especially on the location/type of the staircase and the living/dining area on the ground floor. All other information is below. Thank you very much!
Development plan/restrictions
Plot size: 511 m2 (5500 sq ft approx.)
Slope: minimal: 1 m (3.3 ft) elevation drop from west to east (over 16 m (52.5 ft))
Site coverage ratio: 0.35
Floor area ratio: 2 full floors
Building zone, building line and boundary: 2.5 m (8.2 ft) side clearance, 3 m (9.8 ft) to street
Edge development: Garage allowed
Number of parking spaces: 1.5
Number of floors: 2 full floors
Roof shape: Gable roof, 32° pitch
Style direction
Orientation: North/South, ridge line west/east
Maximum heights/limits: Max ridge height 7.50 m (24.6 ft)
Other requirements
Client requirements
Style, roof shape, building type
Basement, floors: Basement, 2 full floors
Number and age of occupants: 2 adults, 3 children (5, 3, 1)
Room needs, ground floor, upper floor: Ground floor: kitchen, dining area, living room, guest WC, guest room/office. Upper floor: master bedroom, 3 children’s rooms, 2 bathrooms
Office: Family use
Open kitchen, kitchen island
Number of dining seats: 8
Fireplace: yes
Balcony
Garage
Special features: bay window for dining area, upper floor: direct access to master bathroom from bedroom. Master bedroom facing garden, ideally 2 children’s rooms facing garden.
House design
Origin of the design:
- Planner of a general contractor
- Do-it-yourself
What do you particularly like? Why?
Basically all requirements are met; only the room proportions could be improved.
What do you dislike? Why?
Currently, there is a large open space between living and dining that is not used effectively.
Due to the current staircase layout and resulting passage to the living room, the TV area in the living room is somewhat narrow. Ideally, it should be about 4 m (13 ft) wide.
On the upper floor, access to the master bath is via a small corridor behind the stairs. Ideally, this “dead space” could be eliminated by a different staircase shape or positioning.
Price estimate according to architect/planner: approximately 560,000 (excluding land)
Personal price limit for the house, including fittings: 580,000
Preferred heating system: Gas condensing boiler
If you had to give up something, which details/extensions
-could you give up: 3 rooms facing the garden
-could you not give up: 2 bathrooms
Why has the design ended up like this? For example:
Design from planner adapted and further developed with our own ideas.
Basically, the requirements are met, but we do not yet find the room layouts ideal. The living room on the ground floor should be somewhat wider.
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
Is the staircase appropriate in shape and placement? Can the living room be wider and the unused space between rooms on the ground floor smaller?
Holson! schrieb:
At least we have now completed the re-engineering for the interior. Partial re-engineering is contradictory in itself, as unfortunately demonstrated by the results. This is neither fish nor fowl.
Holson! schrieb:
Otherwise, we wanted a gable roof not because of the photovoltaic system but for aesthetic reasons. A single-pitch roof and a pyramid hip roof are not options for us. Your design doesn’t exactly promote the beauty of a gable roof. I’m surprised that after so much drawing, you don’t realize that the overall building shape would look far less awkward with a single-pitch roof. Also, I wouldn’t want to carry the lawn mower down the stairs or have Scotty beam the bikes over the car.
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Are children not allowed to ride their bikes when the car is parked in the garage?
I don’t know anyone who has a garage so narrow that you have to get in or out of the car outside.
A 240cm (95 inches) table in the bay window? Then no one can sit at the head of the table.
How do you imagine furnishing the entrance area?
Upstairs in the bedroom, you don’t have much wall space for wardrobes, but there is a lot of open space.
I would redesign.
Make the house rectangular instead of square.
Make the garage a bit wider and more usable.
Remove the bay window, as it costs a lot of money with the waterproofing of the roof terrace and offers questionable benefits.
Draw the 2m (79 inches) line on the upper floor plan.
I don’t know anyone who has a garage so narrow that you have to get in or out of the car outside.
A 240cm (95 inches) table in the bay window? Then no one can sit at the head of the table.
How do you imagine furnishing the entrance area?
Upstairs in the bedroom, you don’t have much wall space for wardrobes, but there is a lot of open space.
I would redesign.
Make the house rectangular instead of square.
Make the garage a bit wider and more usable.
Remove the bay window, as it costs a lot of money with the waterproofing of the roof terrace and offers questionable benefits.
Draw the 2m (79 inches) line on the upper floor plan.
I agree with everything my predecessors have said.
Now you have all these 3D images, but you don’t see that when someone gets out of bed, they will hit their head on the sloped ceiling. Even with a knee wall height of 180cm (71 inches), you should first check exactly what remains inside at that spot after insulation and so on.
Instead of 3D images, dimensioned floor plans with furniture layouts drawn in would be much more practical, as you can see window positions and other details from them.
And as always, my advice is to not just sketch the furniture schematically, but always include the actual wishes and needs.
Now you have all these 3D images, but you don’t see that when someone gets out of bed, they will hit their head on the sloped ceiling. Even with a knee wall height of 180cm (71 inches), you should first check exactly what remains inside at that spot after insulation and so on.
Instead of 3D images, dimensioned floor plans with furniture layouts drawn in would be much more practical, as you can see window positions and other details from them.
And as always, my advice is to not just sketch the furniture schematically, but always include the actual wishes and needs.
What is everyone’s issue with bay windows? We also have a bay window, but it has floor-to-ceiling glass, which I think is very important. It looks great and feels much better than regular windows.
With a width of 3.70 meters (12 feet) and a table 2.40 meters (8 feet) wide placed sideways, there is only 65 centimeters (25.5 inches) of space on each side, which looks very cramped—especially since other areas of the living room have plenty of space. I would plan for 1 meter (39 inches) of clearance from the edge of the table to the wall.
Best regards,
Sabine
With a width of 3.70 meters (12 feet) and a table 2.40 meters (8 feet) wide placed sideways, there is only 65 centimeters (25.5 inches) of space on each side, which looks very cramped—especially since other areas of the living room have plenty of space. I would plan for 1 meter (39 inches) of clearance from the edge of the table to the wall.
Best regards,
Sabine
Holson! schrieb:
The garage works fine. Nobody has to walk past if the car is inside. I only know it from getting out outside. Yes, maybe in a rental apartment. But not if I’m building a house worth over half a million.
Holson! schrieb:
The desire for a gable roof came from us, only shed and hip roofs are allowed and we don’t like those. That’s not entirely clear to me yet. If only the aforementioned roofs are permitted, the knee wall doesn’t change anything. What exactly is stated in the development plan / building permit?
Most garages are only 3 meters (10 feet) wide, and ours is no different. However, only my car is parked in there, and nothing else. I wouldn’t allow children to leave bikes in the garage either, as I value my car too much. We have a separate room behind the garage for the bicycles.
Best regards,
Sabine
Best regards,
Sabine
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