ᐅ Single-family house of approximately 180 m² in the city with a view of a nature reserve
Created on: 28 Jun 2020 16:55
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Zylon
Hello dear forum members,
After the great fortune of being allowed to build on a beautiful family plot near the city, yet surrounded by nature with a view of the nature reserve, my partner and I are currently deep in the planning of our single-family home.
Construction is planned for spring 2022, with preliminary bid inquiries in Q2 and Q3 2021.
We would greatly appreciate any tips or opinions on the attached designs. Many thanks in advance.
(The dimensions on the attached plans may not be perfect, please excuse that.)
Zoning Plan / Restrictions:
Plot size: 850 m² (9,150 sq ft)
Slope: No (slightly sloping terrain, not yet precisely measured)
Building coverage ratio: No zoning plan
Floor area ratio: No zoning plan
Building envelope, building lines, boundaries: No zoning plan (--> according to Bavarian state building code)
Edge development: Double garage planned, 6 x 9 m (20 x 30 ft)
Parking spaces: 2 parking spaces in front of the garage + 2 parking spaces inside the garage
Number of floors: 2 full stories
Roof type: Flat roof
Architectural style: Modern (inspired by Bauhaus style)
Orientation: North-south with entrance on the north and window front on the south
Maximum heights / limits: No zoning plan (neighboring buildings east: 3 full stories / west: 2 ½ full stories)
[U]Client Requirements[/U]
Style, roof type, building type: Modern single-family home in the city with flat roof in Bauhaus style
Basement, floors: 2 full stories, no basement (--> cost savings)
Number of occupants, ages: 2 people (33 + 32) + 1-2 children (in progress)
Space requirement on ground and upper floor: ~180 m² (1,938 sq ft) over both floors
Office: Combination of office (20-40% home office), guest room, and eventual elderly parents’ bedroom on ground floor
Guest sleepers per year: approximately 10-12
Open or closed architecture: Compromise
Conservative or modern construction: Modern
Open kitchen, kitchen island: Open kitchen connected to dining area with breakfast bar
Number of dining seats: 6-8
Fireplace: No
Music / stereo wall: Yes
Balcony, roof terrace: No (--> cost savings)
Garage, carport: Solid garage (optional: prefabricated garage)
House Design
Planner: Self-designed with Sweet Home 3D based on forum information and discussions with other homeowners
What do you particularly like? Why?:
- Entrance area with view through living room windows into the garden
- full south orientation of all living and sleeping rooms with many windows and view of the nature reserve
- ground floor fully designed to be age-appropriate
- direct access between garage and house
- fixed roof over the outdoor seating area on the ground floor through the staggered upper floor (so no awning or similar needed, which would have to be added separately)
- all rooms with water connections or technical room located on the north side (short plumbing routes)
- open-plan living/dining area including kitchen in L-shape (no direct line of sight between kitchen and living room)
- separate parents’ wing on the upper floor with private bathroom and dressing area separated from sleeping area by a wall/visual divider
- using half of the space under the stairs for the technical room and half for a pantry possible
- separate laundry area with washer, dryer, laundry baskets (visually separated) in the upper floor children’s bathroom
- small cloakroom on ground floor can be dismantled if needed to relocate the washing machine from the upper floor there (water connection is planned)
- the wall between the two children’s rooms will only be added later, so initially there is one large room of about 31 m² (333 sq ft) for one child
What do you not like? Why?:
- Currently the living area is slightly above the planned 180 m², which is problematic for the budget calculation
Cost estimate according to own calculation: 400,000 € (house including windows, bathrooms, floor coverings, electrical work), 40,000 € garage, 30,000 € kitchen, 20,000 € exterior works (minimal effort - lawn only, with further improvements over coming decades), 20,000 € additional costs (site development, notary, soil survey, lawyer, etc.)
Personal budget limit for the house including fittings: 550,000 €
Preferred heating system: Gas condensing boiler + solar thermal (hot water)
If you had to cut back, on which features or expansions
- can you do without: Unfortunately we cannot think of anything else at the moment, as we have already cut many initial wishes and ideas during planning for cost reasons
Why did the design turn out this way?
The unusual architecture with staggered cubes resulted from our space requirements and fits our preferred style for residential buildings (inspired by Bauhaus style). Numerous adjustments and changes have been made in the past 6 weeks with consultations from friends, other homeowners, and family.
Additional questions:
1. We would like to commission a soil survey, clearing work, and surveying in advance at our own cost, to submit these documents along with our design and a rough draft construction description to different general contractors / construction managers for bidding. Does this make sense? What would be the best approach?
2. The plot cannot currently be (sensibly) transferred by notarial deed (from my parents to me) due to the tax exemption being used within the last 10 years. Could this lead to difficulties during construction or limit us regarding coordination appointments, land charge registration, etc.?
3. Where is there still potential for optimization in certain rooms or areas, possibly to save even more space?
4. We understand that the cubic staggered form results in larger exterior surface areas = higher heating costs + more insulation material. Does this form also lead to additional costs beyond that?
After the great fortune of being allowed to build on a beautiful family plot near the city, yet surrounded by nature with a view of the nature reserve, my partner and I are currently deep in the planning of our single-family home.
Construction is planned for spring 2022, with preliminary bid inquiries in Q2 and Q3 2021.
We would greatly appreciate any tips or opinions on the attached designs. Many thanks in advance.
(The dimensions on the attached plans may not be perfect, please excuse that.)
Zoning Plan / Restrictions:
Plot size: 850 m² (9,150 sq ft)
Slope: No (slightly sloping terrain, not yet precisely measured)
Building coverage ratio: No zoning plan
Floor area ratio: No zoning plan
Building envelope, building lines, boundaries: No zoning plan (--> according to Bavarian state building code)
Edge development: Double garage planned, 6 x 9 m (20 x 30 ft)
Parking spaces: 2 parking spaces in front of the garage + 2 parking spaces inside the garage
Number of floors: 2 full stories
Roof type: Flat roof
Architectural style: Modern (inspired by Bauhaus style)
Orientation: North-south with entrance on the north and window front on the south
Maximum heights / limits: No zoning plan (neighboring buildings east: 3 full stories / west: 2 ½ full stories)
[U]Client Requirements[/U]
Style, roof type, building type: Modern single-family home in the city with flat roof in Bauhaus style
Basement, floors: 2 full stories, no basement (--> cost savings)
Number of occupants, ages: 2 people (33 + 32) + 1-2 children (in progress)
Space requirement on ground and upper floor: ~180 m² (1,938 sq ft) over both floors
Office: Combination of office (20-40% home office), guest room, and eventual elderly parents’ bedroom on ground floor
Guest sleepers per year: approximately 10-12
Open or closed architecture: Compromise
Conservative or modern construction: Modern
Open kitchen, kitchen island: Open kitchen connected to dining area with breakfast bar
Number of dining seats: 6-8
Fireplace: No
Music / stereo wall: Yes
Balcony, roof terrace: No (--> cost savings)
Garage, carport: Solid garage (optional: prefabricated garage)
House Design
Planner: Self-designed with Sweet Home 3D based on forum information and discussions with other homeowners
What do you particularly like? Why?:
- Entrance area with view through living room windows into the garden
- full south orientation of all living and sleeping rooms with many windows and view of the nature reserve
- ground floor fully designed to be age-appropriate
- direct access between garage and house
- fixed roof over the outdoor seating area on the ground floor through the staggered upper floor (so no awning or similar needed, which would have to be added separately)
- all rooms with water connections or technical room located on the north side (short plumbing routes)
- open-plan living/dining area including kitchen in L-shape (no direct line of sight between kitchen and living room)
- separate parents’ wing on the upper floor with private bathroom and dressing area separated from sleeping area by a wall/visual divider
- using half of the space under the stairs for the technical room and half for a pantry possible
- separate laundry area with washer, dryer, laundry baskets (visually separated) in the upper floor children’s bathroom
- small cloakroom on ground floor can be dismantled if needed to relocate the washing machine from the upper floor there (water connection is planned)
- the wall between the two children’s rooms will only be added later, so initially there is one large room of about 31 m² (333 sq ft) for one child
What do you not like? Why?:
- Currently the living area is slightly above the planned 180 m², which is problematic for the budget calculation
Cost estimate according to own calculation: 400,000 € (house including windows, bathrooms, floor coverings, electrical work), 40,000 € garage, 30,000 € kitchen, 20,000 € exterior works (minimal effort - lawn only, with further improvements over coming decades), 20,000 € additional costs (site development, notary, soil survey, lawyer, etc.)
Personal budget limit for the house including fittings: 550,000 €
Preferred heating system: Gas condensing boiler + solar thermal (hot water)
If you had to cut back, on which features or expansions
- can you do without: Unfortunately we cannot think of anything else at the moment, as we have already cut many initial wishes and ideas during planning for cost reasons
Why did the design turn out this way?
The unusual architecture with staggered cubes resulted from our space requirements and fits our preferred style for residential buildings (inspired by Bauhaus style). Numerous adjustments and changes have been made in the past 6 weeks with consultations from friends, other homeowners, and family.
Additional questions:
1. We would like to commission a soil survey, clearing work, and surveying in advance at our own cost, to submit these documents along with our design and a rough draft construction description to different general contractors / construction managers for bidding. Does this make sense? What would be the best approach?
2. The plot cannot currently be (sensibly) transferred by notarial deed (from my parents to me) due to the tax exemption being used within the last 10 years. Could this lead to difficulties during construction or limit us regarding coordination appointments, land charge registration, etc.?
3. Where is there still potential for optimization in certain rooms or areas, possibly to save even more space?
4. We understand that the cubic staggered form results in larger exterior surface areas = higher heating costs + more insulation material. Does this form also lead to additional costs beyond that?
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pagoni202029 Jun 2020 11:13Ypsi aus NI schrieb:
Maybe the two of them should have asked for advice here in the forum
It’s not about this original poster (OP) or any other OP adopting the wishes and ideas of others.
It’s about listening to or considering every objection or suggestion once, then deciding: Thanks, but no thanks.
The forum members’ comments are simply meant to raise awareness for or against decisions – nothing more. Yes, absolutely, that’s exactly how it should be.
My "remark" was only about the private/personal environment, where comparisons are often made directly (and sometimes painfully) felt. Envy and the actions resulting from it are often closer than one thinks or wishes.
If your gardener shows up in a Porsche, I don’t care; if you were my neighbor or cousin, I might want to fight you over it—
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saralina8729 Jun 2020 11:19Setting the floor plan aside for a moment (something is bothering me, but I can’t quite express what it is yet): The note about Paragraph 34 is important. Have you contacted your local building authority to ask what you are allowed to build there?
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Ypsi aus NI29 Jun 2020 11:24In a burst of creativity and some stagnation with your own floor plan, I’m simply giving you an idea. Not perfect, but just a thought to consider.
In this design, you could narrow the hallway / entrance area and add the gained width to the living room. You only have one door from the hallway to the utility room, so the long wall can be nicely used, for example, to place a small couch where you can sit to put on your shoes.
The staircase starting from the main living area is daring and must be intentional.
In the upper floor, my idea has a slight drawback because there is an empty space behind the stairs. Like I said: not perfect.
With the changed staircase, you would have two larger bathrooms. The walk-in closet remains a bit zigzagged. Maybe place the bed against the right wall and move the access from the walk-in closet to the bedroom to the left side. Above the bed, perhaps a large skylight? That’s something to also consider from the outside view.
If you allocate more width to the ground floor below, it will positively affect the master area on the upper floor.
Just a few suggestions to think about...
In this design, you could narrow the hallway / entrance area and add the gained width to the living room. You only have one door from the hallway to the utility room, so the long wall can be nicely used, for example, to place a small couch where you can sit to put on your shoes.
The staircase starting from the main living area is daring and must be intentional.
In the upper floor, my idea has a slight drawback because there is an empty space behind the stairs. Like I said: not perfect.
With the changed staircase, you would have two larger bathrooms. The walk-in closet remains a bit zigzagged. Maybe place the bed against the right wall and move the access from the walk-in closet to the bedroom to the left side. Above the bed, perhaps a large skylight? That’s something to also consider from the outside view.
If you allocate more width to the ground floor below, it will positively affect the master area on the upper floor.
Just a few suggestions to think about...
Zylon schrieb:
We would greatly appreciate any tips and opinions on the attached plans. Thank you very much in advance. After that
Zylon schrieb:
It probably has more to do with the fact that I don’t design houses full-time and therefore haven’t developed a good sense of the relationship between drawing scale and actual room size. However, I don’t recognize the empty space/fill areas to the extent described. That’s exactly it! Some people are good at Tetris, some aren’t. My blunt critiques are rarely welcomed. So here is a formal reminder: hire an architect, give them your desired program, and then let the professional design be discussed. That’s the better way.
Zylon schrieb:
I also find the building somewhat bulky and unappealing. --> Is this a matter of taste or an objective assessment? It is a neutral impression from me, expressed based on objective criteria, principles of visual design, and my subjective reaction.
If you have read all the pinned posts, you will know what cannot be accommodated in garages.
Now I know what bothers me about the appearance. It’s hard to put into words.
For me, Bauhaus means bright, open spaces with beautiful proportions, often asymmetrical—not just a simple urban villa with a flat roof.
Here, the living rooms are dark, with a large extension (industrial look). It just feels unbalanced.
First, clarify what you are actually allowed to build. It would be a shame if you needed a pitched roof just because your neighbors have one.
That was one of our first steps: taking a house catalog, a site plan, and going to the building authority. We wanted a house like this, to build here, and to demolish such and such. Yes or no? Can we plan this way?
Under the previous mayor, a house like that wouldn’t have been approved—not the roof ridge orientation, the size, nor the location. It stands out from the rest.
For me, Bauhaus means bright, open spaces with beautiful proportions, often asymmetrical—not just a simple urban villa with a flat roof.
Here, the living rooms are dark, with a large extension (industrial look). It just feels unbalanced.
First, clarify what you are actually allowed to build. It would be a shame if you needed a pitched roof just because your neighbors have one.
That was one of our first steps: taking a house catalog, a site plan, and going to the building authority. We wanted a house like this, to build here, and to demolish such and such. Yes or no? Can we plan this way?
Under the previous mayor, a house like that wouldn’t have been approved—not the roof ridge orientation, the size, nor the location. It stands out from the rest.
ypg schrieb:
After De I often see the sentence cut off. It should say: after your response and your justifications, you do not want any criticism.
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