ᐅ Single-family house of approximately 180 m² in the city with a view of a nature reserve
Created on: 28 Jun 2020 16:55
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Zylon
Hello dear forum members,
After the great fortune of being allowed to build on a beautiful family plot near the city, yet surrounded by nature with a view of the nature reserve, my partner and I are currently deep in the planning of our single-family home.
Construction is planned for spring 2022, with preliminary bid inquiries in Q2 and Q3 2021.
We would greatly appreciate any tips or opinions on the attached designs. Many thanks in advance.
(The dimensions on the attached plans may not be perfect, please excuse that.)
Zoning Plan / Restrictions:
Plot size: 850 m² (9,150 sq ft)
Slope: No (slightly sloping terrain, not yet precisely measured)
Building coverage ratio: No zoning plan
Floor area ratio: No zoning plan
Building envelope, building lines, boundaries: No zoning plan (--> according to Bavarian state building code)
Edge development: Double garage planned, 6 x 9 m (20 x 30 ft)
Parking spaces: 2 parking spaces in front of the garage + 2 parking spaces inside the garage
Number of floors: 2 full stories
Roof type: Flat roof
Architectural style: Modern (inspired by Bauhaus style)
Orientation: North-south with entrance on the north and window front on the south
Maximum heights / limits: No zoning plan (neighboring buildings east: 3 full stories / west: 2 ½ full stories)
[U]Client Requirements[/U]
Style, roof type, building type: Modern single-family home in the city with flat roof in Bauhaus style
Basement, floors: 2 full stories, no basement (--> cost savings)
Number of occupants, ages: 2 people (33 + 32) + 1-2 children (in progress)
Space requirement on ground and upper floor: ~180 m² (1,938 sq ft) over both floors
Office: Combination of office (20-40% home office), guest room, and eventual elderly parents’ bedroom on ground floor
Guest sleepers per year: approximately 10-12
Open or closed architecture: Compromise
Conservative or modern construction: Modern
Open kitchen, kitchen island: Open kitchen connected to dining area with breakfast bar
Number of dining seats: 6-8
Fireplace: No
Music / stereo wall: Yes
Balcony, roof terrace: No (--> cost savings)
Garage, carport: Solid garage (optional: prefabricated garage)
House Design
Planner: Self-designed with Sweet Home 3D based on forum information and discussions with other homeowners
What do you particularly like? Why?:
- Entrance area with view through living room windows into the garden
- full south orientation of all living and sleeping rooms with many windows and view of the nature reserve
- ground floor fully designed to be age-appropriate
- direct access between garage and house
- fixed roof over the outdoor seating area on the ground floor through the staggered upper floor (so no awning or similar needed, which would have to be added separately)
- all rooms with water connections or technical room located on the north side (short plumbing routes)
- open-plan living/dining area including kitchen in L-shape (no direct line of sight between kitchen and living room)
- separate parents’ wing on the upper floor with private bathroom and dressing area separated from sleeping area by a wall/visual divider
- using half of the space under the stairs for the technical room and half for a pantry possible
- separate laundry area with washer, dryer, laundry baskets (visually separated) in the upper floor children’s bathroom
- small cloakroom on ground floor can be dismantled if needed to relocate the washing machine from the upper floor there (water connection is planned)
- the wall between the two children’s rooms will only be added later, so initially there is one large room of about 31 m² (333 sq ft) for one child
What do you not like? Why?:
- Currently the living area is slightly above the planned 180 m², which is problematic for the budget calculation
Cost estimate according to own calculation: 400,000 € (house including windows, bathrooms, floor coverings, electrical work), 40,000 € garage, 30,000 € kitchen, 20,000 € exterior works (minimal effort - lawn only, with further improvements over coming decades), 20,000 € additional costs (site development, notary, soil survey, lawyer, etc.)
Personal budget limit for the house including fittings: 550,000 €
Preferred heating system: Gas condensing boiler + solar thermal (hot water)
If you had to cut back, on which features or expansions
- can you do without: Unfortunately we cannot think of anything else at the moment, as we have already cut many initial wishes and ideas during planning for cost reasons
Why did the design turn out this way?
The unusual architecture with staggered cubes resulted from our space requirements and fits our preferred style for residential buildings (inspired by Bauhaus style). Numerous adjustments and changes have been made in the past 6 weeks with consultations from friends, other homeowners, and family.
Additional questions:
1. We would like to commission a soil survey, clearing work, and surveying in advance at our own cost, to submit these documents along with our design and a rough draft construction description to different general contractors / construction managers for bidding. Does this make sense? What would be the best approach?
2. The plot cannot currently be (sensibly) transferred by notarial deed (from my parents to me) due to the tax exemption being used within the last 10 years. Could this lead to difficulties during construction or limit us regarding coordination appointments, land charge registration, etc.?
3. Where is there still potential for optimization in certain rooms or areas, possibly to save even more space?
4. We understand that the cubic staggered form results in larger exterior surface areas = higher heating costs + more insulation material. Does this form also lead to additional costs beyond that?
After the great fortune of being allowed to build on a beautiful family plot near the city, yet surrounded by nature with a view of the nature reserve, my partner and I are currently deep in the planning of our single-family home.
Construction is planned for spring 2022, with preliminary bid inquiries in Q2 and Q3 2021.
We would greatly appreciate any tips or opinions on the attached designs. Many thanks in advance.
(The dimensions on the attached plans may not be perfect, please excuse that.)
Zoning Plan / Restrictions:
Plot size: 850 m² (9,150 sq ft)
Slope: No (slightly sloping terrain, not yet precisely measured)
Building coverage ratio: No zoning plan
Floor area ratio: No zoning plan
Building envelope, building lines, boundaries: No zoning plan (--> according to Bavarian state building code)
Edge development: Double garage planned, 6 x 9 m (20 x 30 ft)
Parking spaces: 2 parking spaces in front of the garage + 2 parking spaces inside the garage
Number of floors: 2 full stories
Roof type: Flat roof
Architectural style: Modern (inspired by Bauhaus style)
Orientation: North-south with entrance on the north and window front on the south
Maximum heights / limits: No zoning plan (neighboring buildings east: 3 full stories / west: 2 ½ full stories)
[U]Client Requirements[/U]
Style, roof type, building type: Modern single-family home in the city with flat roof in Bauhaus style
Basement, floors: 2 full stories, no basement (--> cost savings)
Number of occupants, ages: 2 people (33 + 32) + 1-2 children (in progress)
Space requirement on ground and upper floor: ~180 m² (1,938 sq ft) over both floors
Office: Combination of office (20-40% home office), guest room, and eventual elderly parents’ bedroom on ground floor
Guest sleepers per year: approximately 10-12
Open or closed architecture: Compromise
Conservative or modern construction: Modern
Open kitchen, kitchen island: Open kitchen connected to dining area with breakfast bar
Number of dining seats: 6-8
Fireplace: No
Music / stereo wall: Yes
Balcony, roof terrace: No (--> cost savings)
Garage, carport: Solid garage (optional: prefabricated garage)
House Design
Planner: Self-designed with Sweet Home 3D based on forum information and discussions with other homeowners
What do you particularly like? Why?:
- Entrance area with view through living room windows into the garden
- full south orientation of all living and sleeping rooms with many windows and view of the nature reserve
- ground floor fully designed to be age-appropriate
- direct access between garage and house
- fixed roof over the outdoor seating area on the ground floor through the staggered upper floor (so no awning or similar needed, which would have to be added separately)
- all rooms with water connections or technical room located on the north side (short plumbing routes)
- open-plan living/dining area including kitchen in L-shape (no direct line of sight between kitchen and living room)
- separate parents’ wing on the upper floor with private bathroom and dressing area separated from sleeping area by a wall/visual divider
- using half of the space under the stairs for the technical room and half for a pantry possible
- separate laundry area with washer, dryer, laundry baskets (visually separated) in the upper floor children’s bathroom
- small cloakroom on ground floor can be dismantled if needed to relocate the washing machine from the upper floor there (water connection is planned)
- the wall between the two children’s rooms will only be added later, so initially there is one large room of about 31 m² (333 sq ft) for one child
What do you not like? Why?:
- Currently the living area is slightly above the planned 180 m², which is problematic for the budget calculation
Cost estimate according to own calculation: 400,000 € (house including windows, bathrooms, floor coverings, electrical work), 40,000 € garage, 30,000 € kitchen, 20,000 € exterior works (minimal effort - lawn only, with further improvements over coming decades), 20,000 € additional costs (site development, notary, soil survey, lawyer, etc.)
Personal budget limit for the house including fittings: 550,000 €
Preferred heating system: Gas condensing boiler + solar thermal (hot water)
If you had to cut back, on which features or expansions
- can you do without: Unfortunately we cannot think of anything else at the moment, as we have already cut many initial wishes and ideas during planning for cost reasons
Why did the design turn out this way?
The unusual architecture with staggered cubes resulted from our space requirements and fits our preferred style for residential buildings (inspired by Bauhaus style). Numerous adjustments and changes have been made in the past 6 weeks with consultations from friends, other homeowners, and family.
Additional questions:
1. We would like to commission a soil survey, clearing work, and surveying in advance at our own cost, to submit these documents along with our design and a rough draft construction description to different general contractors / construction managers for bidding. Does this make sense? What would be the best approach?
2. The plot cannot currently be (sensibly) transferred by notarial deed (from my parents to me) due to the tax exemption being used within the last 10 years. Could this lead to difficulties during construction or limit us regarding coordination appointments, land charge registration, etc.?
3. Where is there still potential for optimization in certain rooms or areas, possibly to save even more space?
4. We understand that the cubic staggered form results in larger exterior surface areas = higher heating costs + more insulation material. Does this form also lead to additional costs beyond that?
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Ypsi aus NI29 Jun 2020 10:40Extending the parents’ wing on the upper floor costs unnecessarily a lot of money for the benefits it brings...
Better to save that money and invest it in a glass roof including an awning.
I would also consider swapping the living room and kitchen.
If the kitchen were in the current living area: a large kitchen wall with tall cabinets on the left side of the plan, which would also replace the too narrow pantry. In the middle of the room, a large island where washing and cooking take place.
The dining area stays where it is, possibly rotating the table 90 degrees.
Living in the current kitchen area: maybe give the house a bit more width, which would also benefit the parents’ area on the upper floor. This creates a cozy TV corner on the ground floor that is somewhat more separated in the evenings from the kitchen through traffic.
If the staircase is purposely placed in the open-plan living area (since the pantry is replaced by a larger kitchen): keep the U-shaped staircase but move the entrance to the living area. The staircase can either remain open or be closed off with a storage room underneath. The gained space would be added to the utility room. The changed staircase entrance would also help with the upper floor layout, in my opinion.
These are my rough thoughts without having checked everything in detail for feasibility.
Better to save that money and invest it in a glass roof including an awning.
I would also consider swapping the living room and kitchen.
If the kitchen were in the current living area: a large kitchen wall with tall cabinets on the left side of the plan, which would also replace the too narrow pantry. In the middle of the room, a large island where washing and cooking take place.
The dining area stays where it is, possibly rotating the table 90 degrees.
Living in the current kitchen area: maybe give the house a bit more width, which would also benefit the parents’ area on the upper floor. This creates a cozy TV corner on the ground floor that is somewhat more separated in the evenings from the kitchen through traffic.
If the staircase is purposely placed in the open-plan living area (since the pantry is replaced by a larger kitchen): keep the U-shaped staircase but move the entrance to the living area. The staircase can either remain open or be closed off with a storage room underneath. The gained space would be added to the utility room. The changed staircase entrance would also help with the upper floor layout, in my opinion.
These are my rough thoughts without having checked everything in detail for feasibility.
What does it actually look like from the inside when you look up at such an overhang from the living and dining area below? I can’t imagine it looking very nice if you can’t see the sky and it’s always a bit darker. I already notice that in our current apartment, where I find it somewhat oppressive. And there, we’re only looking up at a balcony that extends about 1.5m (5 feet).
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Ypsi aus NI29 Jun 2020 10:44Pinky0301 schrieb:
How does it actually feel from the inside when you look up at such an overhang from the living and dining room below? I can't imagine it looking very nice if you can't see the sky and it always feels darker.It just reinforces my pointP
pagoni202029 Jun 2020 10:55Just don’t ask too many homeowners in your circle, because for most of them EVERYTHING went perfectly and every decision was great, which might make you feel bad right away. I like the look, and my acquaintance who is an interior designer often says that details often make the whole difference. For example, I could imagine larger, bolder glass fronts here and minimal color variation in the render/facade. Straightforward, which is definitely nice. We’ll probably have to build a gable roof, but even then there are countless ways to make it look modern and stylish.
Also, sometimes the exterior appearance has to give way to the function or the comfort factor of the interior, since after all, you live inside—at least until the divorce!
The path to the kitchen is unpleasantly inconvenient; I would definitely want direct or very close access from the kitchen to the outside (and back in).
For spacing around furniture, fixtures, etc., it often helps to measure and test repeatedly, even in model homes, because what feels comfortable to one person can be irritating to another.
I would absolutely take architects’ minimum standards for dimensions and clearances into account, but whether something is comfortable or pleasant is ultimately my decision alone (49%) and the insignificant leftover is the wife’s. Last but not least, my neighbor: one of my former neighbors had a hallway WITHOUT windows, so when entering the house he was completely in the dark. Yesterday, I saw a homeowner who built a new pergola with one post blocking a third of the kitchen window (no joke). I’m sure he would also have some great tips for you and explain the advantages of his design.
That’s why I always recommend visiting the know-it-all in person at their home to see whether you actually share the same tastes…
Also, sometimes the exterior appearance has to give way to the function or the comfort factor of the interior, since after all, you live inside—at least until the divorce!
The path to the kitchen is unpleasantly inconvenient; I would definitely want direct or very close access from the kitchen to the outside (and back in).
For spacing around furniture, fixtures, etc., it often helps to measure and test repeatedly, even in model homes, because what feels comfortable to one person can be irritating to another.
I would absolutely take architects’ minimum standards for dimensions and clearances into account, but whether something is comfortable or pleasant is ultimately my decision alone (49%) and the insignificant leftover is the wife’s. Last but not least, my neighbor: one of my former neighbors had a hallway WITHOUT windows, so when entering the house he was completely in the dark. Yesterday, I saw a homeowner who built a new pergola with one post blocking a third of the kitchen window (no joke). I’m sure he would also have some great tips for you and explain the advantages of his design.
That’s why I always recommend visiting the know-it-all in person at their home to see whether you actually share the same tastes…
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Ypsi aus NI29 Jun 2020 11:00pagoni2020 schrieb:
I always recommend visiting the so-called expert at home once to see if you really share the same tastes... Maybe the two of them should have asked for advice here in the forum instead.
It’s not about the original poster or anyone else adopting the wishes and ideas of others.
It’s about listening to and considering every objection or suggestion before deciding: Thanks, but no thanks.
The comments from forum members are meant only to raise awareness for or against certain decisions—nothing more.
The upper structure blocks sunlight during the cold season.
The budget is insufficient. Even 2500 seems tight for this cube.
Is it allowed to build the house like this? No zoning plan doesn’t mean anything goes. Keyword Section 34. How exactly it is applied varies from municipality to municipality. Even from mayor to mayor.
There is nothing to add regarding the other points, especially those from YPG.
The budget is insufficient. Even 2500 seems tight for this cube.
Is it allowed to build the house like this? No zoning plan doesn’t mean anything goes. Keyword Section 34. How exactly it is applied varies from municipality to municipality. Even from mayor to mayor.
There is nothing to add regarding the other points, especially those from YPG.
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