ᐅ Single-family house, 150 sqm with basement and an additional 15 sqm on the upper floor, located in a rural/outdoor area
Created on: 2 Aug 2020 08:59
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hd45899
First Rough Draft
We want to start planning our new house next year.
We have put a lot of thought into the design to achieve a layout that works well for us.
The main living area will be on the upper floor with 150sqm (1,615 sq ft), while the ground floor will only have guest rooms / office.
The technical equipment will also be located on the upper floor.
Plot size about 9000m² (2.2 acres)
Kitchen/living room/bedroom face south.
What we don’t like yet is the kitchen and the fact that when you enter the living room, you directly face the TV wall, even though everything will be recessed into the wall.
Development Plan / Restrictions
The property is in an outer zone, so everything requires special permission.
Client Requirements
Style, roof shape, building type see example (finish moved forward and with brick facade)
Basement, floors lower ground floor (upper floor partly finished), no basement
Number of people, age 2, 40 years
Space needed on ground floor, upper floor 150sqm (1,615 sq ft), 15sqm (160 sq ft)
Office: family use or home office?
Guests per year 0 – there are hotels
Open or closed architecture closed
Conservative or modern style somewhere in between
Open kitchen, cooking island No
Number of dining seats 6
Fireplace possibly gas under the stairs
Music/stereo wall living room
Balcony, roof terrace No
Garage, carport Yes, but not planned yet
Utility garden, greenhouse No
House Design
Who created the plan: still ourselves
-Planner from construction company
-Architect
-Do-it-Yourself as much as possible (we set construction time to three years)
What do you like most? Why?
What don’t you like? Why?
Price estimate according to architect/planner:
Personal price limit for the house, including fittings:
Preferred heating technology: heat pump
Why did the design turn out like this?
Because this is how we currently imagine it
As mentioned, this is only a very first draft.
We want to start planning our new house next year.
We have put a lot of thought into the design to achieve a layout that works well for us.
The main living area will be on the upper floor with 150sqm (1,615 sq ft), while the ground floor will only have guest rooms / office.
The technical equipment will also be located on the upper floor.
Plot size about 9000m² (2.2 acres)
Kitchen/living room/bedroom face south.
What we don’t like yet is the kitchen and the fact that when you enter the living room, you directly face the TV wall, even though everything will be recessed into the wall.
Development Plan / Restrictions
The property is in an outer zone, so everything requires special permission.
Client Requirements
Style, roof shape, building type see example (finish moved forward and with brick facade)
Basement, floors lower ground floor (upper floor partly finished), no basement
Number of people, age 2, 40 years
Space needed on ground floor, upper floor 150sqm (1,615 sq ft), 15sqm (160 sq ft)
Office: family use or home office?
Guests per year 0 – there are hotels
Open or closed architecture closed
Conservative or modern style somewhere in between
Open kitchen, cooking island No
Number of dining seats 6
Fireplace possibly gas under the stairs
Music/stereo wall living room
Balcony, roof terrace No
Garage, carport Yes, but not planned yet
Utility garden, greenhouse No
House Design
Who created the plan: still ourselves
-Planner from construction company
-Architect
-Do-it-Yourself as much as possible (we set construction time to three years)
What do you like most? Why?
What don’t you like? Why?
Price estimate according to architect/planner:
Personal price limit for the house, including fittings:
Preferred heating technology: heat pump
Why did the design turn out like this?
Because this is how we currently imagine it
As mentioned, this is only a very first draft.
Why not have a large open-plan kitchen and dining area on the ground floor, a small living room, and upstairs a large one with a gallery and a window front like @hampshire has and @pagoni2020 is planning?
How should I put it? More wow factor, more excitement, more like a glossy magazine.
How should I put it? More wow factor, more excitement, more like a glossy magazine.
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pagoni20202 Aug 2020 13:01To be honest, I’m having trouble understanding how you’re moving from your current "old" house to the new one. Even if the new design is going to be heavily modified, the shown model certainly can’t serve as a starting point, can it? It looks like something completely different.
I’m completely amazed and would stop my own house planning immediately and move into your old house instead; the new house design in the picture just seems like a consolation prize that’s been sitting in a closet for years.
I also believe that the old house isn’t easy to sell, unlike one with a standardized floor plan—I wouldn’t want to live in a standard house either, and it seems you don’t want that either!!!
THAT is rare and could be solved with smart planning or a small extension or similar.
THAT is OFTEN, I’m afraid... VERY often!
Other reasons for your changes are none of our business, but beyond the issues mentioned above, what deficiencies or problems with the floor plan or functionality led you to give up the stylish old house? Just the visitor and noise issues?
Without a really good and independent architect, you probably won’t come close to the quality of the "old" house, at least not based on the basic house design shown here.
I’m completely amazed and would stop my own house planning immediately and move into your old house instead; the new house design in the picture just seems like a consolation prize that’s been sitting in a closet for years.
I also believe that the old house isn’t easy to sell, unlike one with a standardized floor plan—I wouldn’t want to live in a standard house either, and it seems you don’t want that either!!!
hd45899 schrieb:
The open-plan design only has disadvantages, my wife has visitors and I can hear everything from the gallery upstairs or vice versa (it’s annoying).
With the open layout and modern style, you have problems with acoustics.
It will need repainting, do I need scaffolding (8m ceiling height)
THAT is rare and could be solved with smart planning or a small extension or similar.
hd45899 schrieb:
I will miss it
THAT is OFTEN, I’m afraid... VERY often!
Other reasons for your changes are none of our business, but beyond the issues mentioned above, what deficiencies or problems with the floor plan or functionality led you to give up the stylish old house? Just the visitor and noise issues?
Without a really good and independent architect, you probably won’t come close to the quality of the "old" house, at least not based on the basic house design shown here.
hd45899 schrieb:
No.
No.
No.
We chose the attic conversion because we like it, and there will be two lounge chairs in front of the window, so I can enjoy a view of the countryside that stretches for kilometers.
Basically, that’s true, we could have easily built a bungalow, but we don’t like those.
I also want the roof slope high enough to optimally fit a photovoltaic system.
Even with a bungalow, we would install a concrete ceiling, so the costs for such a roof are not significantly higher.
Many, but not inside the house
It will be around 300 sqm (3,230 sq ft). But it won’t be living or usable space. I don’t really think we planned this around children. But yes, upstairs could have one or two children’s rooms.
We planned this ourselves (yes, using Word).
I would never do it that way again, because:
It's stylish
It's modern
It's great
I will miss it
But:
It has no children’s rooms, which makes it harder to sell (I know what I’m talking about)
The open layout only has disadvantages; when my wife has guests, I can hear everything from the gallery upstairs, and vice versa (which is annoying).
With the open design and modern style, you have acoustics problems.
If it needs repainting, I’ll need scaffolding (8 m (26 ft) ceiling height).
Oh, I could write even more.
But yes, it is beautiful You are right about everything. However, I’m surprised that housing innovation goes from 100% to almost zero.
There is something in between that is innovative but easier to maintain.
That third gable isn’t without its problems, either.
Ysop*** schrieb:
Acoustics can be managedWe already have acoustic cotton plaster on the entire sloped ceiling, but it doesn’t help much and curtains or blinds just don’t suit a house like this. So, not really solvable.
Ysop*** schrieb:
With your budget, I would just have it paintedExcept for the shell construction, we did all the work ourselves on our "old" house.
haydee schrieb:
Take a look at the design by @pagoni2020. Not that the houses are that similar, but two people and the view.Not really my style.
What is important for us is that everything we need later in life is on the ground floor. So, accessible for people with disabilities.
Our "old" house is already designed that way. Upstairs is only a gallery and technical rooms.
haydee schrieb:
Window front like @hampshire has and @pagoni2020 is planningI can’t see what @hampshire has.
From @pagoni2020 I see several things that don’t fit:
1) I want to be able to sit directly in front of the TV
2) I want to be able to look out of the window from the sofa, not have the sofa directly in front of the window
3) The stove also needs to be directly in the line of sight
pagoni2020 schrieb:
Honestly, I can’t quite connect your current "old" house with the new one. Even if the new one will be heavily modified, the model shown can hardly serve as a basis, can it? It’s something completely different?
I’m stunned and would immediately stop my house planning and move into your old house; the new house design in the picture looks more like a consolation prize that has been in a closet for years.Glad you like it, but I think you are underestimating the new one. When we built our old house, everyone said “how could you,” but once it was finished, everyone was impressed.
Imagine walking down the possibly open staircase into the living room and looking straight outside through a 4 x 2.80m (13 x 9 feet) window.
The bathroom will have a continuous wash area with dark wood and white above-counter sinks. Below will be high-gloss drawers.
The window will be positioned so that the base cabinets align directly with the windowsill, creating a seating niche.
...
pagoni2020 schrieb:
I also think the old house isn’t easy to sell like a house with a standardized floor plan would be. I wouldn’t want to live in a standard home either; apparently you don’t want to either!!!pagoni2020 schrieb:
THAT is rare and could be solved with clever planning or a small extension or something similar.No, from our standpoint, that’s not possible; that’s exactly what makes the house special.
pagoni2020 schrieb:
Other reasons for your change are none of our business, but besides the mentioned points, what deficits or reasons related to the floor plan or functionality are leading you to give up the stylish house? Is it only the issues of visitors and noise mentioned earlier?The reasons are simple. We will move only about 2.5km (1.5 miles) away. I attached a few photos (the first three).
I think that says enough.
pagoni2020 schrieb:
Without a really good and independent architect, you probably won’t get anywhere near the quality of your "old" house, at least not with the basic house design shown here.We planned our current house ourselves as well. We know how to do it.
ypg schrieb:
You are right about everything.
But I’m surprised you go from 100% innovation in architecture to almost zero.I hardly think that will be the case once it is finished. The example photo isn’t related to the real one; it was only about outlines.
It will be a clinker brick that suits the exterior. Zinc flashing will run all around. The roof overhang will be about 90cm (35 inches). The entrance area might be plastered.
ypg schrieb:
The third gable isn’t without problems either.I don’t see it that way since I’m comfortable working with a ladder.
For anyone interested,
I added some more photos of the old house. All furniture is custom-made and built into the walls.
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pagoni20202 Aug 2020 15:22Of course, it is difficult for people here to understand the true background of your actual project in just a few lines and some nice pictures. As you mentioned, you ultimately don’t need an architect or craftsman and have clear ideas about everything.
For my part, I really can’t find any connection between the buildings shown, but this and the following statement may possibly be the reason, which does not exactly help clarify things...
As I said... I’m curious—
hd45899 schrieb:
The current one was planned by us the same way. We know how it’s done.
For my part, I really can’t find any connection between the buildings shown, but this and the following statement may possibly be the reason, which does not exactly help clarify things...
hd45899 schrieb:The pictures you recently shared from the interior of your current house are less to my taste and, in my opinion, stylistically so different from the rest of the part of the house shown, just as the two exterior views of the old and new houses appear completely opposite.
The example photo is not related to the real one.
As I said... I’m curious—
Unfortunately, I can’t make out much from this plan.
It would really help to have a plan that includes measurements and, especially if it’s just colored blocks, labels showing what each area represents.
According to the plan, the main living area seems to be in the lower floor (where exactly is the ground floor?).
Also, I can’t really understand from a few pictures why a new house is needed just 2.5km (1.5 miles) away.
It seems to be because children’s bedrooms are needed – but where are those shown in the plan?
It’s also unclear to me why there is a firm decision against having overnight guests.
I would never tell my visitors, “You need to stay in a hotel,” if I have enough space.
It would really help to have a plan that includes measurements and, especially if it’s just colored blocks, labels showing what each area represents.
The main living area is on the upper floor with 150sqm, and on that floor there are only guest/office rooms.
According to the plan, the main living area seems to be in the lower floor (where exactly is the ground floor?).
Also, I can’t really understand from a few pictures why a new house is needed just 2.5km (1.5 miles) away.
It seems to be because children’s bedrooms are needed – but where are those shown in the plan?
It’s also unclear to me why there is a firm decision against having overnight guests.
I would never tell my visitors, “You need to stay in a hotel,” if I have enough space.
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