ᐅ Single-family house – 150 sqm – 1.5 stories – frustration
Created on: 4 Oct 2019 18:23
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snowfollows
Hello!
After receiving a draft from the architect yesterday, I am reaching out to you in desperation!
Development Plan / Restrictions
Plot size 819m² (8,819 sq ft)
Slope no
Site coverage ratio -
Floor area ratio -
Building window, building line, and boundary -
Edge development -
Number of parking spaces 2
Number of stories -
Roof type -
Architectural style -
Orientation -
Maximum height / limits -
Other requirements -
Homeowner Requirements
Style, roof type, building type timeless, classic, simple, brick veneer, gable roof
Basement, number of floors no basement, 1.5 floors
Number of people, age 2 currently (26, 23) plus a dog (Golden Retriever), children soon
Space requirements on ground floor: kitchen, living room, dining room, utility room, bathroom with shower, possibly an office upper floor: master bedroom, two children’s rooms, bathroom, office if not on ground floor, laundry room would be nice
Office: family use or home office? home office
Number of guest sleepers per year 0
Open or closed layout semi-open
Conservative or modern construction style ?
Open kitchen, cooking island cooking island
Number of dining seats daily 4, guests 8
Fireplace no
Music / stereo wall no
Balcony, roof terrace no
Garage, carport carport
Vegetable garden, greenhouse no
Additional wishes / special features / daily routine, including reasons why certain things are or are not wanted:
- Carport adjacent to utility room
- Utility room adjacent to kitchen
- Kitchen semi-open to living/dining area
- Possibility to create 2 separate living units, for example through a staircase at the main entrance and a vestibule in the hallway (for when the children grow up, rental, etc.)
House Design
Who designed it: architect
What do you particularly like? Why? Not really anything
What do you dislike? Why? Room layout is totally illogical, for example living room in the northeast, utility room in the southwest and far from the carport, 170m² (1,829 sq ft) instead of 150m² (1,615 sq ft)
Cost estimate according to architect/planner: -
Personal price limit for house, including fittings: €275,000
Preferred heating technology: geothermal with horizontal trench collector
If you had to give up something, which details/features
- can you give up: cooking island, office on ground floor, laundry room
- cannot give up: semi-open living / kitchen area, possibility to create 2 separate living units
Why does the design look the way it does? For example:
Standard design from the planner? No, but the planner showed us a similar floor plan during discussions
Which of your wishes were implemented by the architect? four walls
What do you think makes it particularly good or bad? They hardly considered our wishes and the house is way too large
What is the most important or fundamental question about the floor plan summarized in 130 characters?
We took our own floor plan to two builders who offered it as is. We were not really satisfied and wanted a professional involved. Unfortunately, the architect’s drawing was a real disappointment. Issues I notice as a layperson seem to be overlooked or ignored. Shouldn’t our wishes be feasible within 150m² (1,615 sq ft)? The floor plan problem is holding us back a lot. The architect took almost a month to send us this poor draft. Structural calculations, energy regulations, etc., are waiting to move forward, and I don’t know what to do.
The house is number 25 (blue in the center) on the site plan.
Best regards
André
After receiving a draft from the architect yesterday, I am reaching out to you in desperation!
Development Plan / Restrictions
Plot size 819m² (8,819 sq ft)
Slope no
Site coverage ratio -
Floor area ratio -
Building window, building line, and boundary -
Edge development -
Number of parking spaces 2
Number of stories -
Roof type -
Architectural style -
Orientation -
Maximum height / limits -
Other requirements -
Homeowner Requirements
Style, roof type, building type timeless, classic, simple, brick veneer, gable roof
Basement, number of floors no basement, 1.5 floors
Number of people, age 2 currently (26, 23) plus a dog (Golden Retriever), children soon
Space requirements on ground floor: kitchen, living room, dining room, utility room, bathroom with shower, possibly an office upper floor: master bedroom, two children’s rooms, bathroom, office if not on ground floor, laundry room would be nice
Office: family use or home office? home office
Number of guest sleepers per year 0
Open or closed layout semi-open
Conservative or modern construction style ?
Open kitchen, cooking island cooking island
Number of dining seats daily 4, guests 8
Fireplace no
Music / stereo wall no
Balcony, roof terrace no
Garage, carport carport
Vegetable garden, greenhouse no
Additional wishes / special features / daily routine, including reasons why certain things are or are not wanted:
- Carport adjacent to utility room
- Utility room adjacent to kitchen
- Kitchen semi-open to living/dining area
- Possibility to create 2 separate living units, for example through a staircase at the main entrance and a vestibule in the hallway (for when the children grow up, rental, etc.)
House Design
Who designed it: architect
What do you particularly like? Why? Not really anything
What do you dislike? Why? Room layout is totally illogical, for example living room in the northeast, utility room in the southwest and far from the carport, 170m² (1,829 sq ft) instead of 150m² (1,615 sq ft)
Cost estimate according to architect/planner: -
Personal price limit for house, including fittings: €275,000
Preferred heating technology: geothermal with horizontal trench collector
If you had to give up something, which details/features
- can you give up: cooking island, office on ground floor, laundry room
- cannot give up: semi-open living / kitchen area, possibility to create 2 separate living units
Why does the design look the way it does? For example:
Standard design from the planner? No, but the planner showed us a similar floor plan during discussions
Which of your wishes were implemented by the architect? four walls
What do you think makes it particularly good or bad? They hardly considered our wishes and the house is way too large
What is the most important or fundamental question about the floor plan summarized in 130 characters?
We took our own floor plan to two builders who offered it as is. We were not really satisfied and wanted a professional involved. Unfortunately, the architect’s drawing was a real disappointment. Issues I notice as a layperson seem to be overlooked or ignored. Shouldn’t our wishes be feasible within 150m² (1,615 sq ft)? The floor plan problem is holding us back a lot. The architect took almost a month to send us this poor draft. Structural calculations, energy regulations, etc., are waiting to move forward, and I don’t know what to do.
The house is number 25 (blue in the center) on the site plan.
Best regards
André
chrisw81 schrieb:
It’s possible...
but of course, that shouldn’t be the case in any new build. I think you shouldn’t build anything under 4 meters (13 feet)....and that’s the rough construction dimension. After deducting plaster and baseboard, you’re left with only about 3.6 meters (11.8 feet). My sofa, which is 2.64 meters (8.7 feet) plus 50 centimeters (20 inches) of clearance on each side, fits exactly that width.I’ll share my two cents as well. In my opinion, the architect’s floor plan is unacceptable.
Regarding the budget, I have to agree with the others that it won’t be enough for everything (except the plot) given your requirements. You can definitely build a house with that, though. Depending on the plot, maybe even including additional construction costs, but certainly not including brickwork, KNX home automation, two fully equipped bathrooms for possible subdivision, kitchen, and so on.
As for the price of the tiles, I’m more relaxed. We manage well under 50€/sqm (about $46/sq ft) for material costs and do the installation ourselves. So, if you want to save money there, it’s definitely possible.
Regarding the budget, I have to agree with the others that it won’t be enough for everything (except the plot) given your requirements. You can definitely build a house with that, though. Depending on the plot, maybe even including additional construction costs, but certainly not including brickwork, KNX home automation, two fully equipped bathrooms for possible subdivision, kitchen, and so on.
As for the price of the tiles, I’m more relaxed. We manage well under 50€/sqm (about $46/sq ft) for material costs and do the installation ourselves. So, if you want to save money there, it’s definitely possible.
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hampshire7 Oct 2019 23:07chrisw81 schrieb:
30€ is just the tile price, but you don’t get anything fancy for that Of course, you can get decent tiles at that price—but that does not include installation by a professional tiler.
chrisw81 schrieb:
I think you shouldn’t build under 4m Apart from resale value, there is little reason not to build a small living room if you will feel comfortable in it.
Zaba12 schrieb:
My sofa is just as wide at 2.64 + 50cm (21 + 20 inches) of clearance left and right. It probably doesn’t matter much to the original poster how large your sofa is or whether it fits into their living room. There are even cozy living rooms without a sofa at all.
I find the tone in this thread to be somewhat unfriendly and condescending.
hampshire schrieb:
There are even cozy living rooms without any sofas at all.Off-topic: Recently, there was a post saying that sitting on sofa seats is not healthy. That’s why trendy people now sit on the floor using mats and blankets.
chrisw81 schrieb:
I don’t think you should build under 4m (13 feet) I wouldn’t put it that way. Instead, I’d say a home should not be a step down compared to what you have in a rental. The very popular minimum living room width rule of thumb here seems highly unnecessary to me. This summer alone, I’ve enjoyed apples several times that were smaller than the often-cited "90-60-90" 65mm (2.6 inches) diameter.
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