ᐅ Single-family house – 150 sqm – 1.5 stories – frustration
Created on: 4 Oct 2019 18:23
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snowfollows
Hello!
After receiving a draft from the architect yesterday, I am reaching out to you in desperation!
Development Plan / Restrictions
Plot size 819m² (8,819 sq ft)
Slope no
Site coverage ratio -
Floor area ratio -
Building window, building line, and boundary -
Edge development -
Number of parking spaces 2
Number of stories -
Roof type -
Architectural style -
Orientation -
Maximum height / limits -
Other requirements -
Homeowner Requirements
Style, roof type, building type timeless, classic, simple, brick veneer, gable roof
Basement, number of floors no basement, 1.5 floors
Number of people, age 2 currently (26, 23) plus a dog (Golden Retriever), children soon
Space requirements on ground floor: kitchen, living room, dining room, utility room, bathroom with shower, possibly an office upper floor: master bedroom, two children’s rooms, bathroom, office if not on ground floor, laundry room would be nice
Office: family use or home office? home office
Number of guest sleepers per year 0
Open or closed layout semi-open
Conservative or modern construction style ?
Open kitchen, cooking island cooking island
Number of dining seats daily 4, guests 8
Fireplace no
Music / stereo wall no
Balcony, roof terrace no
Garage, carport carport
Vegetable garden, greenhouse no
Additional wishes / special features / daily routine, including reasons why certain things are or are not wanted:
- Carport adjacent to utility room
- Utility room adjacent to kitchen
- Kitchen semi-open to living/dining area
- Possibility to create 2 separate living units, for example through a staircase at the main entrance and a vestibule in the hallway (for when the children grow up, rental, etc.)
House Design
Who designed it: architect
What do you particularly like? Why? Not really anything
What do you dislike? Why? Room layout is totally illogical, for example living room in the northeast, utility room in the southwest and far from the carport, 170m² (1,829 sq ft) instead of 150m² (1,615 sq ft)
Cost estimate according to architect/planner: -
Personal price limit for house, including fittings: €275,000
Preferred heating technology: geothermal with horizontal trench collector
If you had to give up something, which details/features
- can you give up: cooking island, office on ground floor, laundry room
- cannot give up: semi-open living / kitchen area, possibility to create 2 separate living units
Why does the design look the way it does? For example:
Standard design from the planner? No, but the planner showed us a similar floor plan during discussions
Which of your wishes were implemented by the architect? four walls
What do you think makes it particularly good or bad? They hardly considered our wishes and the house is way too large
What is the most important or fundamental question about the floor plan summarized in 130 characters?
We took our own floor plan to two builders who offered it as is. We were not really satisfied and wanted a professional involved. Unfortunately, the architect’s drawing was a real disappointment. Issues I notice as a layperson seem to be overlooked or ignored. Shouldn’t our wishes be feasible within 150m² (1,615 sq ft)? The floor plan problem is holding us back a lot. The architect took almost a month to send us this poor draft. Structural calculations, energy regulations, etc., are waiting to move forward, and I don’t know what to do.
The house is number 25 (blue in the center) on the site plan.
Best regards
André
After receiving a draft from the architect yesterday, I am reaching out to you in desperation!
Development Plan / Restrictions
Plot size 819m² (8,819 sq ft)
Slope no
Site coverage ratio -
Floor area ratio -
Building window, building line, and boundary -
Edge development -
Number of parking spaces 2
Number of stories -
Roof type -
Architectural style -
Orientation -
Maximum height / limits -
Other requirements -
Homeowner Requirements
Style, roof type, building type timeless, classic, simple, brick veneer, gable roof
Basement, number of floors no basement, 1.5 floors
Number of people, age 2 currently (26, 23) plus a dog (Golden Retriever), children soon
Space requirements on ground floor: kitchen, living room, dining room, utility room, bathroom with shower, possibly an office upper floor: master bedroom, two children’s rooms, bathroom, office if not on ground floor, laundry room would be nice
Office: family use or home office? home office
Number of guest sleepers per year 0
Open or closed layout semi-open
Conservative or modern construction style ?
Open kitchen, cooking island cooking island
Number of dining seats daily 4, guests 8
Fireplace no
Music / stereo wall no
Balcony, roof terrace no
Garage, carport carport
Vegetable garden, greenhouse no
Additional wishes / special features / daily routine, including reasons why certain things are or are not wanted:
- Carport adjacent to utility room
- Utility room adjacent to kitchen
- Kitchen semi-open to living/dining area
- Possibility to create 2 separate living units, for example through a staircase at the main entrance and a vestibule in the hallway (for when the children grow up, rental, etc.)
House Design
Who designed it: architect
What do you particularly like? Why? Not really anything
What do you dislike? Why? Room layout is totally illogical, for example living room in the northeast, utility room in the southwest and far from the carport, 170m² (1,829 sq ft) instead of 150m² (1,615 sq ft)
Cost estimate according to architect/planner: -
Personal price limit for house, including fittings: €275,000
Preferred heating technology: geothermal with horizontal trench collector
If you had to give up something, which details/features
- can you give up: cooking island, office on ground floor, laundry room
- cannot give up: semi-open living / kitchen area, possibility to create 2 separate living units
Why does the design look the way it does? For example:
Standard design from the planner? No, but the planner showed us a similar floor plan during discussions
Which of your wishes were implemented by the architect? four walls
What do you think makes it particularly good or bad? They hardly considered our wishes and the house is way too large
What is the most important or fundamental question about the floor plan summarized in 130 characters?
We took our own floor plan to two builders who offered it as is. We were not really satisfied and wanted a professional involved. Unfortunately, the architect’s drawing was a real disappointment. Issues I notice as a layperson seem to be overlooked or ignored. Shouldn’t our wishes be feasible within 150m² (1,615 sq ft)? The floor plan problem is holding us back a lot. The architect took almost a month to send us this poor draft. Structural calculations, energy regulations, etc., are waiting to move forward, and I don’t know what to do.
The house is number 25 (blue in the center) on the site plan.
Best regards
André
For 150m² (1,615 sq ft), I find the many wishes a bit excessive. The budget, on the other hand, is rather tight—as always.
What exactly are you hoping to get from the forum?
We like to brainstorm with you about what might be possible, but for that, you need to provide more than just two sketches that you don’t like. Precise plot dimensions including the building area, floor area ratio, plot ratio, specific zoning or planning permission details—basically everything you seem to have “forgotten” to include up there.
What exactly are you hoping to get from the forum?
We like to brainstorm with you about what might be possible, but for that, you need to provide more than just two sketches that you don’t like. Precise plot dimensions including the building area, floor area ratio, plot ratio, specific zoning or planning permission details—basically everything you seem to have “forgotten” to include up there.
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snowfollows4 Oct 2019 19:42kaho674 schrieb:
For 150m² (1615 sq ft), I think the many requests are a bit excessive. Hmm, okay! Where should we make compromises then? The option for 2 separate living units wouldn’t be a must, but it wouldn’t be bad for the future. Laundry room means: washing machine and dryer on a pedestal, base cabinets with countertop, and space to place a drying rack there.
kaho674 schrieb:
The budget, on the other hand, is rather tight – as always. The budget is based on the previous offers referring to the black-and-white drawing. But I’ll keep it in mind!
kaho674 schrieb:
Exact plot dimensions including the building plot area, floor space index, floor area ratio, zoning plan specifics – basically everything you "forgot" above. Plot dimensions are 26.7 x 31 m (88 x 102 ft), 819 m² (8815 sq ft) total. You can see the orientation, right? No special conditions (especially for our project) regarding the zoning plan:
Building height 10 m (33 ft)
Base height 50 cm (20 inches) above road surface
Roof pitch max. 50°
That’s why I put [ ] in there. Should I upload something else? I have the zoning plan and survey documents on hand.
And of course, many thanks for your help and advice (y)!
The architect is harsh
The two asymmetrical gables
The orientation
The rooms
1. Budget for ready-to-move-in including additional costs is very tight
The offers include
- on-site work
- encouragement
- ancillary building costs
- missing costs
2. Look at floor plans. Almost every model fits better. You have a standard layout
3. The room program is demanding but not impossible at this size
Take a look at Town & Country Lichthaus 152
Carport facing the street
House positioned as far north as possible
The two asymmetrical gables
The orientation
The rooms
1. Budget for ready-to-move-in including additional costs is very tight
The offers include
- on-site work
- encouragement
- ancillary building costs
- missing costs
2. Look at floor plans. Almost every model fits better. You have a standard layout
3. The room program is demanding but not impossible at this size
Take a look at Town & Country Lichthaus 152
Carport facing the street
House positioned as far north as possible
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snowfollows4 Oct 2019 19:58haydee schrieb:
1. Budget for turnkey including additional costs is just barely sufficient
The offers include
- provided by builder
- incentives
- ancillary construction costs
- missing costs The following costs have been calculated by us and are included in the price:
Utility connections
Foundation reinforcement
Multi-utility house entry
Surveying costs
Soil report
Construction water and temporary power
Building "completed" (meaning roof installed, brick facade, etc.)
Building notification
Architect
Structural engineering
Energy consultant including blower door test
Windows, doors, staircase
Floor coverings and wallpapering
Electrical installations
HVAC/plumbing
Outdoor facilities
Safety surcharge
Furnishings
Not sure what else might be missing...
haydee schrieb:
2. Take a look at floor plans. Almost every model fits better. Yours is very standard.
3. The room layout is ambitious, but not impossible for the size
Check out Town & Country Lichthaus 152
Carport facing the street
House positioned as far north as possible Town & Country Lichthaus 152 is well known. It doesn’t look bad, but it doesn’t really fit our orientation, does it? However, by mirroring and swapping rooms, it could be made to fit reasonably well.
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snowfollows4 Oct 2019 20:08Muc1985 schrieb:
Sorry for just a short statement, but the budget will never ever work. Okay, I don’t understand. I have quotes in hand and know the rule of thumb: 1500€ per square meter (1500€ per sq ft). That would be 225,000€, so why should that "never ever work"?
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