ᐅ Siemens Studioline – Have I received all the defective units?
Created on: 13 Jul 2023 10:03
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Hello everyone,
I’m feeling a bit frustrated and need to get some thoughts off my chest.
We have been living in our new home for one year now and received a new kitchen. All the built-in appliances in the kitchen are from the Siemens Studioline series, except for the refrigerator, which is from the standard series. The appliances were delivered after a very long wait in October 2022.
From the start, we have had problems with every appliance except the steam oven and the extractor hood. Siemens customer service has already been here several times, but the issues are often not reproducible at the time (demonstration effect?), or the technician fixes something, but as soon as they leave, the problem returns.
By now, I’m really fed up with all these faults and would prefer to replace the appliances, but that’s not so easy (especially financially).
For some issues, I even recorded videos of the faults and showed them to the technician to prove the errors, but since the problems don’t appear while they’re here, they say no fault could be found.
Here’s a list of ongoing issues:
Dishwasher: It makes extremely loud “water pressure noises,” as if too much water is hitting a too-small valve. According to customer service, this is now a known problem. On the first visit, they drilled a larger hole—no improvement. Two weeks later, the valve was completely replaced, with the statement that this was a recognized issue and the valve swap would fix it. However, the machine still makes other louder humming noises, which they now attribute to the zeolite drying system and insist are normal. But in an open living area, this is quite annoying. Later, I found reports online suggesting that a clip or something similar would need to be replaced, but the service technician said he couldn’t do anything about that.
Additionally, for some time now, even after switching dishwasher tablets, half of them remain undissolved in the compartment. In 23 years of using dishwashers, I’ve never experienced this before, and now it happens constantly.
Cooktop: The full-surface induction cooktop automatically detects pots and their position. When I take a pan or pot off the stove— for example, to flip a pancake or pour something off— and then put it back and try to change the temperature, the cooktop does not respond. The display shows the new setting (e.g. level 8 instead of level 3), but the heat stays at the previous setting. I have to turn the cooktop off and on again to adjust the temperature properly. I recorded this issue, but the technician said it was not visible in the cooktop’s error log (which only stores the last 8 cooking processes). Of course, the problem doesn’t happen all the time.
Microwave: During the first use, the microwave made a very loud humming noise. Customer service was called out and found that the fan was defective. It was replaced and worked fine until recently. For about two weeks now, it intermittently makes the same very loud noises again, both during active use and the cooldown phase.
Refrigerator: The fridge works as it should, but after a short time it develops yellowing marks in places where rods or similar parts seem to run along. They suggested this might be caused by a cleaning product I use, but I don’t think so—I’ve used the same refrigerator cleaner for years without issues.
How would you proceed in such a case? Keep pushing customer service until they can reproduce the faults, or just give up and replace the appliances?
The kitchen salesperson sympathizes but can’t do anything and said, “Oh man, it seems like you got all Monday models.”
Sorry for the long text, but I’m really at my wit’s end.
I’m feeling a bit frustrated and need to get some thoughts off my chest.
We have been living in our new home for one year now and received a new kitchen. All the built-in appliances in the kitchen are from the Siemens Studioline series, except for the refrigerator, which is from the standard series. The appliances were delivered after a very long wait in October 2022.
From the start, we have had problems with every appliance except the steam oven and the extractor hood. Siemens customer service has already been here several times, but the issues are often not reproducible at the time (demonstration effect?), or the technician fixes something, but as soon as they leave, the problem returns.
By now, I’m really fed up with all these faults and would prefer to replace the appliances, but that’s not so easy (especially financially).
For some issues, I even recorded videos of the faults and showed them to the technician to prove the errors, but since the problems don’t appear while they’re here, they say no fault could be found.
Here’s a list of ongoing issues:
Dishwasher: It makes extremely loud “water pressure noises,” as if too much water is hitting a too-small valve. According to customer service, this is now a known problem. On the first visit, they drilled a larger hole—no improvement. Two weeks later, the valve was completely replaced, with the statement that this was a recognized issue and the valve swap would fix it. However, the machine still makes other louder humming noises, which they now attribute to the zeolite drying system and insist are normal. But in an open living area, this is quite annoying. Later, I found reports online suggesting that a clip or something similar would need to be replaced, but the service technician said he couldn’t do anything about that.
Additionally, for some time now, even after switching dishwasher tablets, half of them remain undissolved in the compartment. In 23 years of using dishwashers, I’ve never experienced this before, and now it happens constantly.
Cooktop: The full-surface induction cooktop automatically detects pots and their position. When I take a pan or pot off the stove— for example, to flip a pancake or pour something off— and then put it back and try to change the temperature, the cooktop does not respond. The display shows the new setting (e.g. level 8 instead of level 3), but the heat stays at the previous setting. I have to turn the cooktop off and on again to adjust the temperature properly. I recorded this issue, but the technician said it was not visible in the cooktop’s error log (which only stores the last 8 cooking processes). Of course, the problem doesn’t happen all the time.
Microwave: During the first use, the microwave made a very loud humming noise. Customer service was called out and found that the fan was defective. It was replaced and worked fine until recently. For about two weeks now, it intermittently makes the same very loud noises again, both during active use and the cooldown phase.
Refrigerator: The fridge works as it should, but after a short time it develops yellowing marks in places where rods or similar parts seem to run along. They suggested this might be caused by a cleaning product I use, but I don’t think so—I’ve used the same refrigerator cleaner for years without issues.
How would you proceed in such a case? Keep pushing customer service until they can reproduce the faults, or just give up and replace the appliances?
The kitchen salesperson sympathizes but can’t do anything and said, “Oh man, it seems like you got all Monday models.”
Sorry for the long text, but I’m really at my wit’s end.
Allthewayup schrieb:
Thanks for the model designations, I will definitely check that out. Absolute 100% recommendation for the HS858GBX6 – by far the best oven I have used so far!
RotorMotor schrieb:
It’s quite bold to claim responsibility but then say that the problem was just due to defective Monday models! I also find that extremely bold! I was basically dismissed because of that.
Can I still exercise this right if I have already accepted repairs up to two times?
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RotorMotor13 Jul 2023 16:34Has the seller even tried to make improvements, or did they refer you to the manufacturer?
But yes, in principle, you should be free to choose!
But yes, in principle, you should be free to choose!
RotorMotor schrieb:
Has the seller even tried to fix the issue, or have they referred you to the manufacturer?
But yes, in principle, you should be free to choose!When my complaints arose, I contacted the seller, and he immediately referred me to the factory customer service.
The service visits took place on 6.10.22, 18.10.22, 5.12.22, and 16.3.23. Since I have been repeatedly told that the faults cannot be proven despite my video evidence, I have not called them since.
But honestly, it’s really starting to annoy me – with a total kitchen price of nearly 21,000 (around 21k) in 2021, the appliances shouldn’t have only made up 2–3,000 (2–3k) of that...
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xMisterDx14 Jul 2023 14:19Of course, the first step is usually to try to fix the issue. A new unit costs around 2,000 EUR, and the technician from the factory service is free of charge since it’s covered under warranty or goodwill if they find a problem.
What is the seller supposed to do themselves? This is the responsibility of the factory service under the warranty. If the kitchen fitter tries to fix it themselves, the warranty will be voided.
Regarding the dishwasher… I also have a Siemens, and yes, it can be quite loud sometimes. I’ve also experienced tablets not dissolving properly with an AEG, so I only use liquid dishwasher detergent now.
The problem with the cooktop is that the fault can’t actually be reproduced.
It’s like with a car: if the service manager can’t hear the noise during a test drive, what can they do?
If the problem isn’t solved after the third attempt, a replacement would actually be appropriate.
How often does it occur? That also plays a role. A cooktop is basically a computer nowadays, and it can crash…
As for the microwave, the fan is probably on its way out again.
That’s unfortunate, but it can happen.
Have it replaced again—maybe you just got two units with poor quality.
And about the refrigerator… the argument "I’ve always done it this way" unfortunately doesn’t hold up. You need to maintain your appliances as the manufacturer specifies.
I can’t put diesel fuel into an ID.4 just because I have been doing that with vehicles for 20 years.
What is the seller supposed to do themselves? This is the responsibility of the factory service under the warranty. If the kitchen fitter tries to fix it themselves, the warranty will be voided.
Regarding the dishwasher… I also have a Siemens, and yes, it can be quite loud sometimes. I’ve also experienced tablets not dissolving properly with an AEG, so I only use liquid dishwasher detergent now.
The problem with the cooktop is that the fault can’t actually be reproduced.
It’s like with a car: if the service manager can’t hear the noise during a test drive, what can they do?
If the problem isn’t solved after the third attempt, a replacement would actually be appropriate.
How often does it occur? That also plays a role. A cooktop is basically a computer nowadays, and it can crash…
As for the microwave, the fan is probably on its way out again.
That’s unfortunate, but it can happen.
Have it replaced again—maybe you just got two units with poor quality.
And about the refrigerator… the argument "I’ve always done it this way" unfortunately doesn’t hold up. You need to maintain your appliances as the manufacturer specifies.
I can’t put diesel fuel into an ID.4 just because I have been doing that with vehicles for 20 years.
xMisterDx schrieb:
About the dishwasher... I also have a Siemens, and yes, it can be quite noisy sometimes. I’ve also experienced that dishwasher tablets don’t dissolve properly with AEG, so I now only use liquid dishwashing detergent.The tablets not dissolving properly shouldn’t be normal, right? I’m planning to switch to liquid detergent soon as well; it seems like my only option.
xMisterDx schrieb:
At this point, it’s probably time to replace it if the problem isn’t fixed after the third time.
How often does it happen? That also plays a role. Today’s cooktops are basically computers and can freeze up...It happened quite often, although I must admit we’ve been cooking much less recently; but just last weekend it happened 3-4 times. I understand that technology can fail sometimes, but not with most of the appliances.
xMisterDx schrieb:
Regarding the microwave, the fan is probably on its way out again.
It’s annoying, but these things happen.
Get it replaced again—you might have just been unlucky twice with poor quality.I need to record the noise a few more times; it only occurs sporadically at the moment. Before, it was constant.
xMisterDx schrieb:
As for the fridge... the argument “That’s how I’ve always done it” doesn’t hold up. You need to maintain your appliances according to the manufacturer’s instructions.
I can’t put diesel fuel in an ID.4 just because I’ve been doing that with vehicles for 20 years.Yes, you’re basically right! But the yellowing started before I even used any cleaning products; otherwise, I would have accepted that I might have used something wrong.
I’m going to contact customer service again soon. Before that, I’m going on vacation, so I can forget the frustration and approach the situation more calmly afterward!
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xMisterDx14 Jul 2023 15:29Otherwise, just contact the manufacturer directly, express your disappointment, say you will never buy Siemens again, nor recommend it to anyone, and so on.
Wow, 3-4 times on the weekend is quite a lot. That’s hard to argue away.
Regarding the refrigerator, as long as it functions properly, I don’t see much chance of success. No one simply replaces a 2,000 EUR (about 2,200 USD) appliance just because it has some slight yellowing.
Wow, 3-4 times on the weekend is quite a lot. That’s hard to argue away.
Regarding the refrigerator, as long as it functions properly, I don’t see much chance of success. No one simply replaces a 2,000 EUR (about 2,200 USD) appliance just because it has some slight yellowing.
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