ᐅ New semi-detached house construction – which systems to install?
Created on: 12 Apr 2020 22:50
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C.beckmann1986
Hello everyone,
we are finally building a house. Currently, we live in a rental apartment and I have the following components:
- Alexa Echo Plus in the living room
- Alexa Echo Dot in the bathroom
- Alexa Echo Dot in the children’s room (to be installed)
- Various Hue lamps, some with motion sensors
For our new house, of course, I want the latest technology. What am I looking for?
- Central control of roller shutters (possibly linked to daylight and summer temperature)
- Several controllable lights in the living areas
- Access to possible cameras / lights via smartphone
- Motion sensor lighting, for example in the basement hallway
- Remote control of heating for vacations etc. (air source heat pump)
- Possibly centrally controlled smoke detectors with notifications to the smartphone
Nothing else comes to mind at the moment...
In addition, I plan to install CAT 7 LAN cables in every room.
I keep reading that everything wired should be done with KNX. However, based on my requirements, I wonder if that might be a bit over the top.
I like voice control with Alexa / Siri and a nice touchpad for visualization very much. But does it still make sense to implement a full bus system with KNX?
I would be very grateful for a few tips.
Best regards
Christian
we are finally building a house. Currently, we live in a rental apartment and I have the following components:
- Alexa Echo Plus in the living room
- Alexa Echo Dot in the bathroom
- Alexa Echo Dot in the children’s room (to be installed)
- Various Hue lamps, some with motion sensors
For our new house, of course, I want the latest technology. What am I looking for?
- Central control of roller shutters (possibly linked to daylight and summer temperature)
- Several controllable lights in the living areas
- Access to possible cameras / lights via smartphone
- Motion sensor lighting, for example in the basement hallway
- Remote control of heating for vacations etc. (air source heat pump)
- Possibly centrally controlled smoke detectors with notifications to the smartphone
Nothing else comes to mind at the moment...
In addition, I plan to install CAT 7 LAN cables in every room.
I keep reading that everything wired should be done with KNX. However, based on my requirements, I wonder if that might be a bit over the top.
I like voice control with Alexa / Siri and a nice touchpad for visualization very much. But does it still make sense to implement a full bus system with KNX?
I would be very grateful for a few tips.
Best regards
Christian
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C.beckmann198623 Apr 2020 12:39bauenmk2020 schrieb:
As long as you don’t use systems with closed source or cloud-based connections, you can still implement useful automation and comfort features over a long period of time.Why shouldn’t you use those? For example, wouldn’t that be the case with Homematic IP, or am I misunderstanding something again?
bauenmk202023 Apr 2020 15:22C.beckmann1986 schrieb:
Why shouldn’t you use them? For example, wouldn’t that apply to Homematic ip, or am I misunderstanding something again? Probably not expressed clearly: I meant systems with their own central unit that handles all communication. Like the idea that everything only works with that one main device.
For me, only open wireless standards are suitable, where you can hope that they will still be supported in 10-20 years. Isn’t that the main argument of the KNX supporters – “never tie yourself to just one manufacturer”?
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C.beckmann198624 Apr 2020 09:36Openhab sounds very promising. How can I set it up with the Raspberry Pi? It seems a bit complicated.
As I mentioned, in my current apartment I have various Alexa devices (including Echo Plus), Philips Hue products, devices connected to Osram smart plugs, and Xiaomi products. All controllable via Alexa, but of course using multiple apps. In the new house, I want this to be a bit more convenient.
If I decide on new products now (like roller shutter control) from Homematic, I can control everything together via Openhab, right? But then I would need either the Access Point or the CCU3, correct? That would mean another device and app. And basically, it would still be various different products (standards) for the different devices.
I simply don’t know what to choose. I don’t want to have various different devices, but of course I also don’t want to be locked into just one provider.
So, maybe I can ask again how I could make this whole project run more smoothly.
Thank you very much.
As I mentioned, in my current apartment I have various Alexa devices (including Echo Plus), Philips Hue products, devices connected to Osram smart plugs, and Xiaomi products. All controllable via Alexa, but of course using multiple apps. In the new house, I want this to be a bit more convenient.
If I decide on new products now (like roller shutter control) from Homematic, I can control everything together via Openhab, right? But then I would need either the Access Point or the CCU3, correct? That would mean another device and app. And basically, it would still be various different products (standards) for the different devices.
I simply don’t know what to choose. I don’t want to have various different devices, but of course I also don’t want to be locked into just one provider.
So, maybe I can ask again how I could make this whole project run more smoothly.
Thank you very much.
untergasse4324 Apr 2020 11:19C.beckmann1986 schrieb:
OpenHAB sounds really good. How can I set it up with the Raspberry Pi? It sounds a bit complicated. If setting it up on the Pi sounds complicated to you, OpenHAB will probably be even more challenging. If you are open to DIY systems based on the Pi, take a look at ioBroker. With your skills, you will likely achieve usable results much faster. But be prepared to have a new hobby until you get something reasonably functional, no matter which system you choose. Whether all your IoT devices can be integrated effectively depends on the adapter and compatibility lists of the control systems.
I know someone who equipped their entire house with Homematic IP. It seems to work quite well for them, as they only ever share positive feedback with me. If you want to go the DIY route, that’s probably one of the cleaner solutions for a new build. Setting up a new house with Osram wireless plugs, Xiaomi devices, and Hue bulbs is, in my opinion, the completely wrong approach. That kind of setup is only really suitable if you live in a rental where you can’t make any electrical changes.
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C.beckmann198624 Apr 2020 11:31untergasse43 schrieb:
Building a new house based on Osram smart sockets, Xiaomi devices, and Hue bulbs is, in my opinion, the completely wrong approach. This setup might make sense if you’re living in a rental where you absolutely cannot change the electrical system. That is exactly the current situation.
I am happy to explore new technologies in the new build. Additionally, it would of course be great if I could somehow integrate the existing devices as well.
OpenHab didn’t sound too complicated. I am not technically inept, but since I’m neither an electrician nor an IT specialist, I feel a bit uncertain.
untergasse4324 Apr 2020 11:40As I said, take a look at ioBroker. For me, it’s currently the most user-friendly solution for these kinds of issues. Especially since you can easily create automations using Blockly. Check out the videos by Matthias Kleine on YouTube about ioBroker (home automation). That should give you a good idea quickly whether you feel confident using it.
I find OpenHAB somewhat too complex. If you are skilled in programming, it can be very powerful. But until then, in 99% of cases, it tends to be rather frustrating.
I find OpenHAB somewhat too complex. If you are skilled in programming, it can be very powerful. But until then, in 99% of cases, it tends to be rather frustrating.
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