ᐅ Semi-detached house with rather small children's bedrooms

Created on: 13 Mar 2018 12:41
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MichaeI
Hello everyone,

We have a plot where we are allowed to build a semi-detached house. The exterior dimensions can be a maximum of 7 m x 10 m (23 ft x 33 ft), with 2 full floors.

We have visited several carpentry companies (we want to build with solid wood) to get quotes. Each one designed a slightly different plan, but in all of them the children's rooms are quite small (between 11 and 12 square meters (118 to 129 square feet)).

Our requirements were:
- Ground floor with living/dining area, kitchen (preferably also separated), bathroom with shower, pantry
- Upper floor with one bedroom, 2 children's rooms, and a bathroom with shower + bathtub.

A basement is also planned, as the floor plan is already quite small. It will house a hobby room and a boiler room.

My question now:
Is it not possible to get larger children’s rooms with these exterior dimensions? Or has anyone built something similar with a completely different floor plan?

If more space really isn’t possible, is 11 square meters (118 square feet) enough for one child?
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apokolok
13 Mar 2018 13:44
MichaeI schrieb:

Yes, there is a basement. Otherwise, everything would be too small.

That's good. No storage room; everything has to go into the basement.
Make the kitchen bigger instead. A 1m (3.3 ft) corridor really doesn’t work at all.
Try drawing a floor plan with a spiral staircase.
This is the absolute space-saving standard for houses of this width and is why you see it in almost every townhouse.
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haydee
13 Mar 2018 13:48
There was initially a discussion about the children's room.
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/Kinderzimmer-und-Schlafzimmer-welche-Grösse-ist-zu-empfehlen.26662/

Increasing the size will be difficult due to the floor area.

The kitchen would bother me more. A different staircase and reducing the circulation area have already been mentioned.
Do you need the shower on the ground floor?

Be sure to draw in your actual furniture or your desired furniture layout.
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MichaeI
13 Mar 2018 13:49
Basically, we can change anything inside. The other semi-detached half does not exist and will not exist for the next few years.

So, we are only "bound" by the exterior dimensions and height.

I will start working on a plan with a modified staircase!
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86bibo
13 Mar 2018 13:52
MichaeI schrieb:
For some reason, everyone suggested a straight staircase... I’ll try to draw something myself.

A straight staircase, as mentioned, always wastes a lot of space in the hallways, so I would plan more traditionally.
MichaeI schrieb:
Regarding the kitchen: the idea was to keep it as small as possible and use it just for cooking.

The problem I see isn’t just the size, but also the layout. It’s quite cramped, and when two people are working together, you constantly get in each other’s way. Also, there is too little countertop space. You still need to fit at least a tall refrigerator and probably another tall cabinet (oven, pantry, etc.). That leaves very little room for food preparation, even without items like a microwave, Thermomix, KitchenAid, etc. Additionally, I find the distances too long. Overall, I’m also not satisfied with the living room. The wall unit, dining area, and sofa corner seem like three isolated areas simply placed there. I prefer the TV to be oriented toward the seating area. Of course, you can watch TV from the dining area that way, but unfortunately only half of the people present at a time. I also find having the sofa in front of a floor-to-ceiling window less than ideal.

Upstairs, I unfortunately see little room for flexibility as well. It has already been mentioned that the bedroom is borderline in size. Changing the staircase might gain you around 2–3m² (20–30 sq ft), but that’s about it. The bathroom size is acceptable and shouldn’t be smaller. The children’s rooms are reasonably well laid out. Of course, bigger would be nicer, but if it’s not possible, that’s how it is. However, I would consider whether you really want floor-to-ceiling windows. The question here is: more usable wall space or a more "open" feel. Both have advantages with the room size.
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ypg
13 Mar 2018 14:03
This staircase with its hallway requirement takes up a lot of space. A traditional staircase is needed in a house like this; then you can bring the children's rooms to 12-13 sqm (129-140 sq ft) each. Add a zigzag partition wall to fit built-in wardrobes 1.50 m (5 ft) wide on each side, and these 12 sqm rooms become small space wonders... well, at least in principle. The bathroom could be located in the center of the 10 meters (33 ft).
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MichaeI
13 Mar 2018 14:12
We definitely wanted to have the shower downstairs.
The point about the kitchen countertop is, of course, correct.

We received the attached plan from a prefab house provider. Unfortunately, it is not dimensioned, but the external measurements refer to 7 x 10 m (23 x 33 feet).
Would this layout be more practical?
Honestly, what bothers us is that the living/dining room and one of the children's bedrooms face directly north...
But could we swap the kitchen/living room with the child’s bedroom 1 and bathroom?
What do you think of this plan then?

And one more question about the ground floor: Is a pantry of just under 3 sqm (32 sq ft) worthwhile, or would it be better to have a built-in cupboard in the kitchen and store the rest in the basement?

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