ᐅ Semi-detached house in Hamburg with a general contractor on own land, two plus full attic floors, no basement
Created on: 26 Jul 2025 12:27
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1689owen
I’m looking for feedback on anything we might have overlooked. Tips on processes and organization are also helpful. (Details about the location, plot, and contractors involved will be shared later to keep things anonymous for now.)
We want to build a duplex and hire a general contractor (GC) for this. Each party has about €40,000 (approximately $44,000) available. The scope of self-performed work will differ slightly between the two parties but will mainly be limited to painting (including plastering and all related work) and flooring (excluding bathrooms). The attic may possibly be finished as self-performed work.
We have a few requirements:
According to the plans, we may build two full stories. We want to retain as much garden space as possible and, for this reason among others, would like to add a fully functional attic. By “fully functional,” we mean it can be used as living and working space and forms its own separate part of the apartment—not an open area connected to the stairwell (for example, the parents’ bedroom would be here). We were advised that having a concrete floor between the upper floor and attic would be sensible to achieve this. The attic could also be raised with a knee wall (dormer wall), which would greatly improve the interior height. Since the plans don’t specify maximum ridge, eaves, or gable heights, it will likely be restricted only by required setback distances. The setback to the neighboring plot is currently set at 3 meters (about 10 feet) for driveway, bike storage, and garage as border construction. This leaves a good garden area on the other side of the house.
kfw300 program:
This is very helpful for financing, almost essential for us. However, it comes with certain requirements that may cause additional costs. Which parameters would you recommend adjusting here?
Current status:
We have discussed financing preliminarily and set a budget framework. We already own the land. We are currently in talks with several GCs (ranging from smaller architecture firms, medium-sized companies, to larger firms like Baudirekt). We plan to decide on a GC in about a month. The options each GC offers will understandably influence our decision. We also still need to clarify whether we truly need and can afford a fully finished attic or if a pitched roof attic that could be finished later would suffice. A basement would probably be more expensive and provide less livable space than a full attic, so it is no longer a serious option. We plan to consult two or three more GCs to get feedback on possibilities and pricing.
Please feel free to ask any questions! This is already a lot of help. Maybe there’s even some additional advice out there. Thanks!
We want to build a duplex and hire a general contractor (GC) for this. Each party has about €40,000 (approximately $44,000) available. The scope of self-performed work will differ slightly between the two parties but will mainly be limited to painting (including plastering and all related work) and flooring (excluding bathrooms). The attic may possibly be finished as self-performed work.
We have a few requirements:
- Each party: 2 adults (bedroom, office) + 3 children (individual bedrooms)
- Total house footprint around 165m² (approximately 1,775 sq ft). A preliminary building inquiry has already been made.
- Noise protection necessary due to aircraft noise.
- Full attic living space
- kfw300 program
- Solid construction
- Brick facade
- Pitched roof
- Central ventilation system
- For both parties: rooms should not be too large (e.g., child’s room 10m² (110 sq ft), office 8m² (86 sq ft)); only one large open area for living and kitchen.
- Each half of the building should be easily separable in the future into an accessible unit (basement) and an apartment (upper floor + attic).
According to the plans, we may build two full stories. We want to retain as much garden space as possible and, for this reason among others, would like to add a fully functional attic. By “fully functional,” we mean it can be used as living and working space and forms its own separate part of the apartment—not an open area connected to the stairwell (for example, the parents’ bedroom would be here). We were advised that having a concrete floor between the upper floor and attic would be sensible to achieve this. The attic could also be raised with a knee wall (dormer wall), which would greatly improve the interior height. Since the plans don’t specify maximum ridge, eaves, or gable heights, it will likely be restricted only by required setback distances. The setback to the neighboring plot is currently set at 3 meters (about 10 feet) for driveway, bike storage, and garage as border construction. This leaves a good garden area on the other side of the house.
kfw300 program:
This is very helpful for financing, almost essential for us. However, it comes with certain requirements that may cause additional costs. Which parameters would you recommend adjusting here?
Current status:
We have discussed financing preliminarily and set a budget framework. We already own the land. We are currently in talks with several GCs (ranging from smaller architecture firms, medium-sized companies, to larger firms like Baudirekt). We plan to decide on a GC in about a month. The options each GC offers will understandably influence our decision. We also still need to clarify whether we truly need and can afford a fully finished attic or if a pitched roof attic that could be finished later would suffice. A basement would probably be more expensive and provide less livable space than a full attic, so it is no longer a serious option. We plan to consult two or three more GCs to get feedback on possibilities and pricing.
Please feel free to ask any questions! This is already a lot of help. Maybe there’s even some additional advice out there. Thanks!
1689owen schrieb:
Maybe it’s a bit easier now to start cutting costs. I don’t think it will be that simple. As you said yourself:
1689owen schrieb:
All modifications to the catalog house are becoming too expensive for us. Architects are working on it, and the first draft was way too large and therefore (estimated) significantly too costly. It might help you to work backwards. I’ll deduct 30K for additional costs, which is already very tight: that leaves 370K / 3K = 123 sqm (1324 sqft). Now go ahead and find a floor plan with 4 bedrooms plus an office in a semi-detached house of only 123 sqm (1324 sqft). That will likely be very difficult, if not impossible. If you then add special features such as future subdivision, it becomes completely unrealistic.
With an ideal plot (no surprises and no slope), in your position I could imagine considering a catalog house from common providers like Danwood & Co. However, you must be aware that, first, you will have almost no room for customization, and second, the provider’s quality must justify the price. There is also always the risk that you get lulled in by the initial price offer only to realize later what costs are not included. So you have to study the construction specification documents thoroughly.
I also have a bit of an issue with the drawn plot: is it distorted like that, or is it due to the photo not being taken parallel to the plane? Roughly estimated, I also don’t get 700 square meters (7,535 square feet).
And is it supposed to be aligned to true north?
Has the plot already been purchased?
The budget problem is obvious. If you calculate 3000€/sqm (280 sq ft), then you’ll need to contribute a significant amount of work yourself.
My suggestion is to draw the plot on graph paper first, then determine the building zone, and then tackle the task of dividing the plot in a way that allows for a simple building shape plus the desired garage(s), terrace, and clearly marked entrance side.
Since it is possible that someone’s life situation might change, plan one cross-section with two independent halves. “Shared use” can only be arranged legally through ownership by one or both parties with a contract. Otherwise, the dependent “halves” will be difficult to sell.
And is it supposed to be aligned to true north?
Has the plot already been purchased?
The budget problem is obvious. If you calculate 3000€/sqm (280 sq ft), then you’ll need to contribute a significant amount of work yourself.
My suggestion is to draw the plot on graph paper first, then determine the building zone, and then tackle the task of dividing the plot in a way that allows for a simple building shape plus the desired garage(s), terrace, and clearly marked entrance side.
Since it is possible that someone’s life situation might change, plan one cross-section with two independent halves. “Shared use” can only be arranged legally through ownership by one or both parties with a contract. Otherwise, the dependent “halves” will be difficult to sell.
K a t j a schrieb:
Now go ahead and find a floor plan with 4 bedrooms plus an office in a semi-detached house with only 123 sq m (1,324 sq ft). That will probably be difficult or even impossible. If you add special requirements like later sub-divisibility, it becomes completely unrealistic. The "standard" semi-detached house from the "usual suspects" for this building type offers two full floors plus an attic (roof pitch 35°) with 140 to 145 sq m (1,507 to 1,560 sq ft) and ends up sending parents to sleep in the attic room when there are three children. Reducing that by another 20 sq m (215 sq ft) puts strain on every aspect. A requirements profile that is already unrealistic would suffer a further setback with the condition of later sub-divisibility. At some point, the solution set becomes effectively empty.
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1689owen schrieb:
I believe this is our main concern: Does it have to be the budget? How much does it need to be increased? There’s actually very little room. Which ideas about a semi-detached house do we need to let go of? Which wishes are explicitly or maybe implicitly present and should be discarded? As the following quotes show, we can approach this from several angles (the fourth option would probably be winning the lottery or other slightly more likely ways to change the budget):
1. The house could be smaller than what is usual for five people,
or
2. we could reduce costs through DIY work,
or
3. we find a catalog home that is affordable and reasonably fits.
1.
K a t j a schrieb:
It might help you to do the calculation backwards. I’ll take off 30K for additional costs, which is already very tight: That leaves 370K / 3K = 123 sqm (1324 sq ft). Now go find a floor plan with 4 bedrooms plus an office in one half of a semi-detached house with only 123 sqm (1324 sq ft). That will probably be difficult to impossible. If you add special features like possible future subdivision, it becomes completely unrealistic. 2.
nordanney schrieb:
I think even the "budget builders" (basic only) will be out of the question given your requirements.
==> This just doesn’t fit the budget
I see only one way: extensive DIY work ypg schrieb:
The budget issue is obvious. If you calculate 3000€/sqm (279 sq ft), you will have to contribute a lot of DIY work. 3.
11ant schrieb:
The "standard" semi-detached house from the usual suspects for this building type offers living + dining (roof pitch 35°) of 140 to 145 sqm (1507 to 1560 sq ft) and with three children, parents end up sleeping in the attic studio. Cutting another 20 sqm (215 sq ft) from that will be tough everywhere. None of these options on their own will probably be enough, so something will have to be combined. The question is: What would be the advice? Build slightly smaller and do a lot of DIY? Catalog home plus DIY? Architect-designed and smaller build, only shell construction completed by the builder, rest done by oneself? Or something else? Feel free to give a brief explanation.
All of these posts, taking into account the background from the thread, show that we have special requests. This keeps coming up repeatedly:
Rübe1 schrieb:
Then at least have the attic (D) prepared for finishing (i.e., at least insulated, ceiling, stairs, wiring, etc. fixed—and for 400K in Hamburg? No. Not with these individual wishes. This is not a reproach but meant to steer the discussion differently: Future subdivision is off the table, and we are prepared to give up all sorts of special requests. Please tell us what we might have to give up. (Some of this we will probably realize ourselves when comparing catalog home offers, but I want to be better prepared to negotiate adjustments with the general contractor.)
And now something about the plot: The plan was prepared quickly. The building area is dimensioned approximately as specified. The plot dimensions are missing but add up to 700 sqm (7535 sq ft). Details will come later; I don’t have time right now. Just: Some catalog semi-detached houses don’t fit because they are too long (i.e., each half is too wide).
Rübe1 schrieb:
Building envelope 12m by 18m (39 feet by 59 feet), is this the building envelope for the entire house or just half of it? Is there a specified ridge direction? Where is north?
1689owen schrieb:
The plan was quickly put together.You don’t have to do anything for us. If you have been dealing with the same plot of land for at least three months and want to build, but face some problems, doing nothing won’t help.At the very least, if I were you, I would have already spent a hundred on a cadastral map, made multiple copies of it, and drawn in every possible subdivision including driveway and so on – even if only to get a bit closer to the dream.
It’s not just about the building boundary.
Is the plot still available? And if so, what’s the catch?
Does the other party still want to build together?
Look, those are three questions that haven’t been answered. Can’t you just answer them?
ypg schrieb:
Has the land already been purchased?ypg schrieb:
Is it really distorted, or is it just due to the photo not being taken parallel to the plan?ypg schrieb:
And should it be oriented to true north?Okay, just looked back at the first page 1689owen schrieb:
The land belongs to us.But still: you or anyone else won’t make progress here if you’re asking for help but can’t answer the simplest questions.Similar topics