Dear Building Forum,
We have been ranked 19th in the points system (out of more than 40 building plots total).
In two weeks, we have the appointment where we can choose our building plot (from those available at that time).
The community's letter advises that we should pre-select 19 potential building plots, so that in the worst case, we still receive one of them.
Unfortunately, we find it very difficult to identify good or less optimal locations on the site plan.
Also, the slope of up to 1.5m (5 feet) depending on the plot (if I understand it correctly) makes it hard for us to imagine its impact on the future house.
I have created two conceptual categories:
N/E Development = Plots 16–18 + 25–27 + 31 + 38 + 45
S/W Terrace possible without N/E Development = Plots 8–9 + 11–13 + 15
Plot size of about 550 sqm (6,000 sq ft) would be our preference.
Which plots would you favor and what are the respective pros and cons?
I look forward to your feedback.
Best regards,
Limbrandi
We have been ranked 19th in the points system (out of more than 40 building plots total).
In two weeks, we have the appointment where we can choose our building plot (from those available at that time).
The community's letter advises that we should pre-select 19 potential building plots, so that in the worst case, we still receive one of them.
Unfortunately, we find it very difficult to identify good or less optimal locations on the site plan.
Also, the slope of up to 1.5m (5 feet) depending on the plot (if I understand it correctly) makes it hard for us to imagine its impact on the future house.
I have created two conceptual categories:
N/E Development = Plots 16–18 + 25–27 + 31 + 38 + 45
S/W Terrace possible without N/E Development = Plots 8–9 + 11–13 + 15
Plot size of about 550 sqm (6,000 sq ft) would be our preference.
Which plots would you favor and what are the respective pros and cons?
I look forward to your feedback.
Best regards,
Limbrandi
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hanghaus202315 Mar 2024 11:09Limbrandi schrieb:
How would you assess the potential flood risk? Do you actually read the text version of the development plan? It states that the floodwater does not reach the building plots. So, a 100-year flood will not affect your house. I would build as high as possible.
Limbrandi schrieb:
If a basement were an option, it would probably need a waterproof concrete tank, either “white” (waterproofing by the concrete itself) or “black” (external waterproofing). Is such a tank very expensive? I would skip the basement, unless your budget allows for it. Expect around 100,000 for a usable basement with a white tank system.
Limbrandi schrieb:
And is a gable roof cheaper to build compared to a hip or pyramid roof because of its simpler design? If money is no issue, each roof type has its pros and cons. Generally, among those three, the gable roof is the most cost-effective. @11ant has already shared their opinion on this.
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WilderSueden15 Mar 2024 12:49If the building areas are just outside the 100-year flood level, I would treat them as if they were inside it. The figures are naturally subject to considerable uncertainty, even assuming the climate does not change. Build the house as high as possible, make the basement floodproof or omit it entirely due to cost. Place openings as high as possible and pay special attention to all penetrations.
hanghaus2023 schrieb:
If you have a good budget, every roof type has its pros and cons. Among the three options, the gable roof is usually the most affordable. @11ant has already shared his opinion on this. The construction method plays an equally important role in the overall assessment as the roof shape itself. When the trend of substitute villas emerged, the pyramid roof was adopted as a cheap post-war emergency roof. This makes economic sense only on a rectangular floor plan, which is why bay windows often aren’t carried up past the ring beam. For a truss roof, a ridge beam needs to be designed differently than for a traditional roof structure. That’s why a ridge beam (or ridge plate) is usually only symbolic in cost, and a hip roof in this case is not (again) more expensive than a pyramid roof.
You shouldn’t compare apples and oranges here either. A classic gable roof is not cheaper than a pyramid roof with a truss. Valleys are expensive on any roof, both in the framing as well as the covering. Therefore, the roof footprint is a key factor (and parts of the roof above projecting elements are often designed as attached façades). That’s why I say “substitute” villa—because of the fake luxurious details. What amuses me the most is the popularity of the cheap attic ladder, proudly showcased by many homeowners as the golden calf at the center of a design exhibition. This is followed by the T-wall in the (main) bathroom, celebrated as a symbol of fashionable modernity, for which a bathroom planner in my youth would have been tarred and feathered. Around that, balcony doors all around as flashy bonus gimmicks. The consumer wants to be “loved” (in the sense of the Park Hotel from Klaus Lage’s “Schweißperlen”). And as a crowning touch, the illumination of the cellulite-like render on the external thermal insulation composite system (ETICS), combined with a graveled front yard, and the “fixed braces meet pseudo-Bauhaus” style—aggressively stretched across the wide sectional garage door (clad like garden furniture with a ‘woodgrain’ finish) all the way to the front door canopy. I can’t go down to the basement enough times without bursting out laughing sometimes. But how did I get onto this topic? Ah yes, pyramid roof... substitute villas. “The weather.”
https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
11ant schrieb:
No. Yesterday, just before bedtime, I was still alert enough to grasp the facts—but not to memorize them. It was already a tiring scavenger hunt, as the municipal website kept redirecting me from one office to another. The clear and concise information for prospective builders in this community still has, to put it mildly, "room for improvement." However, in the past 24 hours, I have summarized all the points I noticed here. In short: the restrictions basically make it unlikely to permit a "town villa"; the reference height remains unclear to me; but the height range is enough to potentially make the maximum height limit fall short by half a meter (about 1.5 feet)—which would lead to having a high knee wall rather than a proper villa. Investigating this in more detail seemed beyond the scope of unpaid assistance. Specialist treatment is for the other doorbell. Seven lines to explain a no due to lack of time… Hats off!
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Limbrandi10 Apr 2024 13:55Hello everyone,
Today we received feedback from the city that we will be assigned a building plot.
The procedure is exactly the same as for the first development area.
We will be called to the decision appointment and then can choose from the remaining available plots.
This time, the development area better meets our wishes regarding connectivity and flatness.
The city has offered us a consultation appointment next Monday. During this meeting, the development plan requirements will be reviewed, followed by a discussion of the pros and cons of any plots we may have already selected.
Our requirements remain similar to before, except that we have now agreed to build without a basement.
We are open regarding the house shape, although we lean towards a rectangular design.
The terrace should again face south to south-west and ideally have little to no slope.
Since all the plots in this area tend to be larger than in the first development, we have no problem with a somewhat bigger building plot due to the many advantages.
The two outer plots marked in red are up for bidding.
The green plots are 20€/m2 (about $20/ft2) cheaper than the purple ones.
We would again be interested in which building plots would be the best choice based on the above points and what advantages and disadvantages each plot carries.
Best regards

Today we received feedback from the city that we will be assigned a building plot.
The procedure is exactly the same as for the first development area.
We will be called to the decision appointment and then can choose from the remaining available plots.
This time, the development area better meets our wishes regarding connectivity and flatness.
The city has offered us a consultation appointment next Monday. During this meeting, the development plan requirements will be reviewed, followed by a discussion of the pros and cons of any plots we may have already selected.
Our requirements remain similar to before, except that we have now agreed to build without a basement.
We are open regarding the house shape, although we lean towards a rectangular design.
The terrace should again face south to south-west and ideally have little to no slope.
Since all the plots in this area tend to be larger than in the first development, we have no problem with a somewhat bigger building plot due to the many advantages.
The two outer plots marked in red are up for bidding.
The green plots are 20€/m2 (about $20/ft2) cheaper than the purple ones.
We would again be interested in which building plots would be the best choice based on the above points and what advantages and disadvantages each plot carries.
Best regards
Unfortunately, you have not yet understood some essential points, which is very unfortunate:
Both image sections you chose cut off crucial information – we cannot advise you like this! Please show the two usage templates; we cannot properly compare them if they are so incomplete.
In the "bauplatz" image, contour lines are visible, which are covered by the colored lines in the "bauplatz_" image. These lines are crucial for determining which template applies to the left and which applies to the right side of the plan. Also, only in the "bauplatz" image – faint but still present – are elevation lines visible.
Please specify for which plots the left and right template applies, and which elevation line is closest to the center of each plot as well as its neighboring plots on the right and left. Keep in mind...
… this is not just your private decision. Should I remind you of my basement formula every month? (Don’t forget: it is almost a "law of nature"; I merely formulated it.)
https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
Both image sections you chose cut off crucial information – we cannot advise you like this! Please show the two usage templates; we cannot properly compare them if they are so incomplete.
In the "bauplatz" image, contour lines are visible, which are covered by the colored lines in the "bauplatz_" image. These lines are crucial for determining which template applies to the left and which applies to the right side of the plan. Also, only in the "bauplatz" image – faint but still present – are elevation lines visible.
Please specify for which plots the left and right template applies, and which elevation line is closest to the center of each plot as well as its neighboring plots on the right and left. Keep in mind...
Limbrandi schrieb:
that we have now agreed to build without a basement.
… this is not just your private decision. Should I remind you of my basement formula every month? (Don’t forget: it is almost a "law of nature"; I merely formulated it.)
https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
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