ᐅ Salamander / Brügmann BlueEvolution windows

Dr Hix schrieb:

You might even find one second-hand (latest version from 2014).

What does "latest" mean then – 2014 was still before the current energy saving regulations – does the 2014 guide already refer to the draft of the 2016 energy saving regulations?

neubau2019 schrieb:

Or you can bring in an expert.

That was a good one. If you stay around here a bit longer, you will realize that "expert" is the shortest joke on this forum – there are people who confidently quote standards that unfortunately only apply to neighboring regions (or are no longer valid). The fact that expert knowledge can become outdated is a completely unknown phenomenon to some. An expert is only as valuable as their ongoing training (and their professional liability insurance). Apart from the sadly true core of the saying that the harshest critics of the moose once were moose themselves.

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11ant schrieb:

What do you mean by "current" then? 2014 was before the latest energy saving regulations – does the 2014 guideline already refer to the draft of the 2016 energy saving regulations?

Since when do the energy saving regulations specify how windows should be installed?
I don’t see any direct connection, at most regarding airtightness. But there haven’t been any major changes there either.

guckuck2 schrieb:

It is still worth questioning why one is so much cheaper.

We had the same experience back then. Quotes ranged from 17,000 to 34,000 for the same windows. Some companies just stretch things out—a removal and disposal cost might be only 1,500 with Company A but 3,500 with Company B. Or extras like concealed hinges could be a 500 surcharge with one, but 4,000 with another.

11ant schrieb:

What does "current" mean then – 2014 was still before the latest energy saving regulation – does the 2014 guideline already reference the draft of the 2016 energy saving regulation?

To my knowledge, there have been no changes to window installation due to the energy saving regulation. "Current" means that no new (building physics) findings have emerged in the meantime that would require adjustments.

11ant schrieb:

That was good. If you stay here a bit longer, you'll start to realize that "expert" is the shortest joke on this forum — there are people confidently quoting standards that unfortunately apply only to neighboring regions (or that are no longer valid). Some people seem completely unaware that expertise can also become outdated. An expert is only as valuable as their ongoing training (and professional liability insurance). Besides the sadly true core of the saying that the harshest critics of moose were once moose themselves.

Of course, there are fewer good ones and more better ones. You just have to hire the right ones; this applies throughout the entire homebuilding process! It also takes quite a bit of luck.

Dr Hix schrieb:

We had the same experience back then. Quotes ranging from 17,000 to 34,000 for the same windows. Some really stretch the price; for example, removal and disposal cost 1,500 with company A, but 3,500 with company B. Or extras like concealed hinges cost 500 with one company and 4,000 as an upcharge with another.

How did you decide back then — purely based on gut feeling or price?

guckuck2 schrieb:

Since when does the Energy Saving Ordinance specify how windows are to be installed?

I’m saying:

11ant schrieb:

and I dare to doubt that it addresses the procedure for window installation.

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Hi Christian,

we are now being offered the Bluevolution 82 as well. Did you go with that option? Are you satisfied with it? Thanks for your response! Good luck, Chris