ᐅ Roof insulation: modifying existing insulation in a single-family house, energy standard 55

Created on: 4 Feb 2024 16:23
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JJDTE123
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JJDTE123
4 Feb 2024 16:23
Hello everyone,

Here is the situation:

A house built in 1998 (prefabricated timber frame construction) is being renovated into a single-family home 55ee. According to the energy consultation, I need to install the following in my roof:
-> Roof insulation: 24 cm (9.5 inches) with thermal conductivity 0.032 in the rafters + 4 cm (1.6 inches) with thermal conductivity 0.022 (PU) under the rafters.

The rafters are currently only 20 cm (7.9 inches) deep, and there is already insulation installed. This means my current setup is: 20 cm (7.9 inches) insulation in the rafters + 4 cm (1.6 inches) under the rafters.
I have attached a photo.

Questions:
1. Is it possible to determine the insulation value of the existing insulation later on, or should I expect to have to remove what is already there?
2. Expanding the rafters doesn’t seem practical to me. Is there a way to achieve the required insulation values with the current setup of 20 cm (7.9 inches) rafters + 4 cm (1.6 inches) under the rafters using different insulation materials, or would it be more sensible to increase the 4 cm (1.6 inches) under the rafters?

I would really appreciate your opinions!

Regards!
Open ceiling during renovation: visible wooden battens, insulation and drywall panels
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jens.knoedel
4 Feb 2024 16:54
JJDTE123 schrieb:

1. Is it possible to determine the insulation value of my existing insulation afterwards, or should I expect that I will need to remove the existing insulation anyway?

If the insulation is already 25 years old, you can be 99% sure that it definitely does not have a thermal conductivity class (WLG) of 32. It is very unlikely that WLG 32 insulation was installed back then.
JJDTE123 schrieb:

2. Expanding the rafters doesn’t make much sense to me right now. Is it possible to achieve the required insulation value with a setup of 20 cm (8 inches) rafters plus 4 cm (1.5 inches) counter battens using different insulation materials? Or would it be more sensible to increase the thickness of the 4 cm (1.5 inches) counter battens?

You could use PUR (polyurethane) insulation, which provides significantly better thermal performance.

What is the overall roof structure planned? PUR insulation with aluminum foil facing for the 4 cm (1.5 inches) layer as a vapor barrier? What material are you using for the WLG 22 layer? PUR with aluminum foil facing usually only achieves WLG 23. What does the energy consultant say?
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Rübe1
5 Feb 2024 08:34
The existing insulation probably has a thermal conductivity of 0.040 W/(m·K). What makes me suspicious is the 4 cm (1.6 inches). Could that possibly be a necessary air gap? Otherwise, you wouldn’t install 24 cm (9.5 inches) there. What is the overall construction like? Apart from that, mineral wool and rigid polyurethane foam is rather unpleasant...