We are building a single-family prefabricated timber frame house in a cul-de-sac, which requires a crane placement area on the public road in front of our property. The street is not very wide. Do you have any experience with whether a full road closure is possible for a cul-de-sac and what costs might be involved? I assume that local authorities always require access for an ambulance or fire truck to reach the end of the cul-de-sac. How was this handled in your case?
As you already mentioned, in a dead-end street the emergency access route likely needs to remain clear with a width of 3m (10 feet). A partial one-sided closure should not be an issue.
The costs probably depend on the respective local authority.
In my neighborhood, a house was built last year. The street was completely closed several times for days because of the concrete pump and the mobile crane used to assemble the house. But it is not a dead-end street. Therefore, a full closure was not a problem.
The costs probably depend on the respective local authority.
In my neighborhood, a house was built last year. The street was completely closed several times for days because of the concrete pump and the mobile crane used to assemble the house. But it is not a dead-end street. Therefore, a full closure was not a problem.
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moooooo324 Feb 2022 22:49PhiIipp schrieb:
Yes and no. Of course, you’re right.
BUT: You also have to consider that you might be stirring up trouble. If Pinkiponk now asks the local authority and some uncooperative official then says that this street may never be blocked, even briefly, you’re in trouble.
Because my Plan B would be, in the case of timber frame construction, to rent a crane (possibly a loader crane would be enough) for one or two weeks. Under difficult circumstances, this might even be one of the most economical options. But technically, this crane is _not supposed_ to block the street either. And if the uncooperative official finds out, I’ll be in big trouble.
To quote Willy Meurer: Sometimes it’s smarter to ask for forgiveness afterwards than permission beforehand.
So if you’re quite sure that a weeks-long closure isn’t feasible, then talk to the neighbors kindly and maybe bring a crate of beer (or something similar) to thank them for their patience while the street is closed during the day, and don’t involve the local authorities at all. That would at least be my approach. That is certainly a viable strategy in some situations, but perhaps really not if there are no alternative emergency access routes available. Just my two cents, but that’s not an option for us.
moooooo32 schrieb:
That is certainly a useful strategy in some situations, but maybe not if there are no accessible alternative escape routes. Just my two cents, but for us, that’s not an option. Yes. I understand.
But I actually have professional experience on both sides of this issue. A mobile crane can be disassembled within a maximum of 10 minutes. That could be problematic in the event of a kitchen or room fire. For all other situations — from heart attack and stroke to attic fire or slipped disc — this does not have a noticeable negative impact.
Now, the chance of a kitchen or room fire occurring during the day is very limited (in the entire Stuttgart metropolitan area, there were only 30 such incidents in 2019).
Scaled down to an average-sized community...
Anyhow. Basically, you are right. But in most cases, from a technical (not legal) perspective, it doesn’t really matter. My bold assumption is based on the premise that the dead-end street is no longer than about 300 m (984 feet).
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moooooo325 Feb 2022 00:23PhiIipp schrieb:
Yes. I understand.
But I actually have professional experience on both sides of this issue. A mobile crane can be dismantled in a maximum of 10 minutes. In the event of a kitchen or room fire, that could be problematic. For all other situations, from heart attacks and strokes to roof fires or slipped discs, it does not noticeably worsen the situation.
The chance of a room or kitchen fire during the day is quite limited (there were only 30 such incidents in the entire Stuttgart city area in 2019).
Scaled down to an average-sized community...
Anyways, basically you’re right. But in most cases, technically—not legally!—it doesn’t matter. My bold assumption is based on the dead-end street being no longer than about 300 m (985 feet). Yes, that makes sense; in rescue operations, paramedics could actually run ahead if necessary, right?
But I still don’t think it’s an option for us.
However, since you have professional experience, or anyone else here:
Would it be possible to place the crane on the blue circle and then lift the house over to the red area? Or is that too far and thus too heavy?
Ideas and tips, some incredible!
The first person responsible for assessing the duration/length of the required space is the construction manager, who then applies for the building permit / planning permission from the municipality / city in a timely manner!
@moooooo32: The crane cannot be 25 m (82 feet) away from the "house."
In addition, it must be considered that alongside the crane area, the truck carrying the prefabricated components must be parked in close proximity.
The first person responsible for assessing the duration/length of the required space is the construction manager, who then applies for the building permit / planning permission from the municipality / city in a timely manner!
@moooooo32: The crane cannot be 25 m (82 feet) away from the "house."
In addition, it must be considered that alongside the crane area, the truck carrying the prefabricated components must be parked in close proximity.
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Pinkiponk5 Feb 2022 08:53driver55 schrieb:
We had the same situation. Whether it’s a dead-end street or not doesn’t matter. It’s a side street with a bus stop 20cm (8 inches) away. We had to apply for a partial road closure for 3 days.Did you have to pay for the road closure, and if so, approximately how much did it cost?