ᐅ Replace Atlant siphon?

Created on: 1 Aug 2011 13:05
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Eva25
Hello

Is it possible to replace the Atlantis trap and the drain strainer?
My partner was a bit too enthusiastic and opened both holes for the sink overflow with a screwdriver, and now the water is spraying everywhere under the sink.
The home improvement store doesn’t have a suitable drain strainer or an appropriate trap.
For now, I’ve taken a trap that only allows me to connect the washing machine so I can at least do laundry again (which is needed after about two weeks).
Do you have any advice?
I won’t be able to get to IKEA for at least six months.

Best regards,
Eva
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DBGHP
4 Aug 2011 23:35
If you don’t know the trap, there’s nothing to say. The trap has several connection outlets, e.g., for dishwasher, washing machine... these are initially closed and you have to break through the plastic to open them. Eva should have understood what I wrote; if not, she could ask.

I have dealt with more traps than I care to remember, including everything that can possibly come up.

I even found this trap at IKEA.

The problem is, no one (probably not even you) knows exactly what is broken. (Sure, it’s leaking, but what exactly is defective, in DETAIL)

Is it the sink’s metal that no longer seals, or the gasket, or the plastic overflow part, possibly including the thread for the screw? Even if she gets a rubber hose and a clamp, where should she connect the hose when we don’t know what or where exactly is broken or leaking? Simply attaching it to the overflow grille won’t work; that’s what the plastic part with the gasket from IKEA is for, which then connects to the trap.

Anyway, carry on as you like. Sealing it temporarily would be the best solution for the short term (see my post above), which can be done with household materials, although I have more of those than the average person might.
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Eva25
5 Aug 2011 09:46
Hello

No need to worry.
We were able to solve our problem without using the Atlantean trap, which I didn’t really want anyway.
We bought a new drain strainer (right size) and were then able to connect the old trap.

Actually, my partner punched through the caps on both sides of the stubs where the overflow protection is attached. If water entered up there while the washing machine and the sink’s wastewater were running at the same time, it would have flooded the entire apartment.
My partner tried sealing it with silicone, but it didn’t stick to the smooth plastic. And since we aren’t skilled tradespeople at all, we had no idea how to fix it differently.
So, I bought a new drain strainer.

The nearest Ikea isn’t really out of reach for me.
It’s only about 30–40 meters (19–25 miles) away. But I don’t have a car, and honestly, I have no idea if or how a bus or train goes there. Since my sister-in-law works (she usually drives us), I have to rely on her schedule. Because I won’t need to go again for at least four months, she wouldn’t have driven me there on a whim in between anyway, since she simply doesn’t have the time.

And yes, I can only connect my washing machine in the kitchen. I find that really inconvenient since it takes up space. Also, I still don’t have running water in the kitchen because, as unskilled as my partner is, he bought the wrong fittings for the faucet again. I’m glad I still have running water in the bathroom and toilet.

Eva
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DBGHP
5 Aug 2011 22:24
Hello Eva.

The problem is that sometimes you talk about the drain strainer and sometimes about the overflow, and then mention a tool that was punctured. (WHAT was punctured HOW, and are you referring to the drain strainer or the overflow?)

Unfortunately, such a description is very imprecise. Even without technical knowledge, you could describe exactly where you mean, where the defect occurred, and where the water is leaking.

Sometimes it’s the overflow, sometimes the "drain strainer" (these are two different issues, although both lead to the drain).

But if everything is fixed with a new "drain strainer," I wonder what that has to do with the overflow, smile

I just mean, please describe a bit more precisely (all questioners in the future) so that the “issue” can be clearly identified. Saying "car is jerking" probably doesn’t help a mechanic much online, smile.

No offense, but the exact location of the leak or defect really needs to be clear.

“Screwing off the stub pipes” is quite vague, or rather understatement times three, because I have no idea what that means. Like “screwing the boards.” A siphon has many potential fault points, and their names are stub pipes, threads, seals, and so on. And if the overflow is confused with the drain strainer, well...

But good that it’s working again now.

I honestly tried my best to help as quickly as I could so that washing could be done. (I know the problem myself, but more from the situation of not being able to get a pump on a Sunday...)

Everything will be fine, and so will we, smile


@IKEA-Expert:
“Screwing off the stub pipes was punctured at the overflow.”
and
“new drain strainer, everything’s fine.”

IKEA-Expert... help me please, haha No offense! But I had to say it


@EVA again:
It’s not bad if you can’t describe something like this exactly, but I didn’t ask for nothing—because it was just too vague. Anyone you ask about this (craftsperson or so, although they usually come on site and start straight away) will ask exactly that.
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Eva25
6 Aug 2011 10:24
It wasn’t the overflow or the drain strainer that was defective.
It was the fittings where the overflow is connected.
I can’t upload a photo, otherwise I would highlight it.
In the description of the Atlant siphon, there is a note advising to “break open” the overflow fittings with a screwdriver, because both sides are sealed with a firmly fixed closure.
My friend did this, unfortunately too vigorously on both sides, without considering that the overflow is only connected to one of the two fittings.
Since the fittings don’t have any threads, no cap would have helped either, as they are too small and threadless.

Have a look at page 5 of the manual, and you will see what I mean by “breaking open.” The fitting for the overflow connection is opened by breaking through it with a screwdriver. Since there are two sides but only one should be opened, water could have leaked through for me.
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DBGHP
7 Aug 2011 09:29
Oh, why is everything suddenly fine again just because you got a "new drain strainer"? Sorry, that has nothing to do with the pipe fitting!

And it’s known that the parts have to be broken open at IKEA.

But did we know that the siphon is new?

I thought there was some work done and your friend slipped with the screwdriver (broke something, but what exactly was the problem?).

Aha, now I get it, grin... on both sides. Yeah, of course, haha.

I thought it was an old installation or something where something went wrong during the work...

You mean the two small tubes, grin... obviously everything would leak then. But you could have sealed it with a thousand different things, haha. Well, I have a thousand things too. Not everyone does, of course.

But in the beginning, it was about the overflow, then the drain strainer that was newly purchased, and now it’s the connection on the siphon itself, where it’s about the connection on the left or right side.

Wonderful, the whole thing.

PS:
A rubber gasket from a hardware store (any kind, preferably tapered) would have been enough to seal it. It’s best to glue it afterward (you can choose anything from adhesive to duct tape, i.e., fabric adhesive tape), and the plug will seal the “extra hole.” Even better is kneadable adhesive (epoxy-based), which you can get in small tubes starting at 3-4 Euros, and it GLUES AND SEALS EVERYTHING, hardens rock-solid, and can be sanded. Just cut off a little, knead it, then press it into the pipe (as a plug), and wait a few hours before the next (grin...) “water test” (haha... no).

I was really somewhere else! I thought the screwdriver had accidentally damaged the overflow or the drain strainer by your friend. (You screw in a screw, but you don’t punch through anything, grin).

Well, so we solved this, no, YOU solved it, grin.

All the best and have a nice Sunday!