ᐅ Renovation of the community center or would a new build be a better option...?
Created on: 19 Apr 2015 15:26
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Sham69Day,
after noticing for quite some time that our detached house is simply too small / cramped in many areas for a family of four, we have now, quite by chance, found two interested buyers.
It seems that we can, may, must look for something new.........
Even before moving into our current house, our ideas were always leaning towards a rather unusual construction or renovation project, such as a stable, old school, old workshop, etc. – but we ended up with a conventional detached house 🙂
Now we have two thoughts or concrete options:
Community house built in 1960
Extension 1974
Total living area approx. 250 m2 (approx. 2,690 sq ft)
Plot approx. 1,700 m2 (approx. 18,300 sq ft)
Oil heating
Floor plans attached.
Or a new build (possibly a prefabricated house in Bauhaus style) on approx. 600 m2 (approx. 6,460 sq ft).
Advantages of the community house:
the heart wants it this way 🙂
large plot
great location
Children would have their “own area” in the extension with flat roof (two bedrooms), hallway, bathroom, possibly kitchen, separate entrance, and also a passage to the “parents’ and living area”
This extension could later be rented out when the children move out.
The main house here would consist of a large open space (approx. 150 m2 / approx. 1,615 sq ft) with kitchen, dining area, living room all open plan
Gallery with bedroom, bathroom, and dressing room
a spacious hallway
guest WC
office room
What would need to be done?
In short, EVERYTHING 🙂
That means removing walls in the extension and creating the described layout with lightweight partition walls
removing the old staircase
enlarging the gallery in the main house (by approx. 30 m2 / approx. 320 sq ft), water and other utility lines need to be installed
all windows would need to be replaced (and there are many), partially opening the masonry to install floor-to-ceiling windows
preferably a fireplace (possibly sensible regarding heating costs and the very high ceiling)
adding numerous power outlets
new staircase to the gallery (preferably steel)
floor finishes
Roof?
Utilities?
To a layperson, the house seems fundamentally solid – we now wonder what the best approach is here. Should we simply request estimates from 2-3 companies for some trades, or go directly to an architect, or what else? --> Are there any fundamental issues with the construction year?
We had a prefabricated house calculated once, costing about 500,000 EUR (including land).
The community house price has not been negotiated yet, but the difference between the prefab house and the community house is probably around 150,000–170,000 EUR.
How far would this difference take us?
I would appreciate a discussion, suggestions, ideas, etc.
Good luck
after noticing for quite some time that our detached house is simply too small / cramped in many areas for a family of four, we have now, quite by chance, found two interested buyers.
It seems that we can, may, must look for something new.........
Even before moving into our current house, our ideas were always leaning towards a rather unusual construction or renovation project, such as a stable, old school, old workshop, etc. – but we ended up with a conventional detached house 🙂
Now we have two thoughts or concrete options:
Community house built in 1960
Extension 1974
Total living area approx. 250 m2 (approx. 2,690 sq ft)
Plot approx. 1,700 m2 (approx. 18,300 sq ft)
Oil heating
Floor plans attached.
Or a new build (possibly a prefabricated house in Bauhaus style) on approx. 600 m2 (approx. 6,460 sq ft).
Advantages of the community house:
the heart wants it this way 🙂
large plot
great location
Children would have their “own area” in the extension with flat roof (two bedrooms), hallway, bathroom, possibly kitchen, separate entrance, and also a passage to the “parents’ and living area”
This extension could later be rented out when the children move out.
The main house here would consist of a large open space (approx. 150 m2 / approx. 1,615 sq ft) with kitchen, dining area, living room all open plan
Gallery with bedroom, bathroom, and dressing room
a spacious hallway
guest WC
office room
What would need to be done?
In short, EVERYTHING 🙂
That means removing walls in the extension and creating the described layout with lightweight partition walls
removing the old staircase
enlarging the gallery in the main house (by approx. 30 m2 / approx. 320 sq ft), water and other utility lines need to be installed
all windows would need to be replaced (and there are many), partially opening the masonry to install floor-to-ceiling windows
preferably a fireplace (possibly sensible regarding heating costs and the very high ceiling)
adding numerous power outlets
new staircase to the gallery (preferably steel)
floor finishes
Roof?
Utilities?
To a layperson, the house seems fundamentally solid – we now wonder what the best approach is here. Should we simply request estimates from 2-3 companies for some trades, or go directly to an architect, or what else? --> Are there any fundamental issues with the construction year?
We had a prefabricated house calculated once, costing about 500,000 EUR (including land).
The community house price has not been negotiated yet, but the difference between the prefab house and the community house is probably around 150,000–170,000 EUR.
How far would this difference take us?
I would appreciate a discussion, suggestions, ideas, etc.
Good luck
My opinion – just gut feeling: This will never be enough for the renovation described. A prime location and a plot three times as large naturally cost more if the result is to be equivalent (putting emotional factors aside). It also sounds like you don’t want or can’t do the work yourselves, so there is no potential savings from your own labor.
Hello,
I have already heard of costs around €180,000 (about $200,000) twice for the renovation of single-family or terraced houses. You wouldn’t get very far with your much larger project at that amount. It often turns out that the bare masonry itself has a very low value. The expensive part is all the technical installations that you would need to rebuild.
Still, I find the conversion of the community center more interesting. Have you ever watched "Grand Designs"?
Regards
Michael
I have already heard of costs around €180,000 (about $200,000) twice for the renovation of single-family or terraced houses. You wouldn’t get very far with your much larger project at that amount. It often turns out that the bare masonry itself has a very low value. The expensive part is all the technical installations that you would need to rebuild.
Still, I find the conversion of the community center more interesting. Have you ever watched "Grand Designs"?
Regards
Michael
Hello,
so it is correct that we would do very little ourselves (except possibly some helper tasks that require less expertise). We will see – as soon as we have sold here, I will probably arrange a site visit with an expert or architect to get a concrete assessment, and then we will see whether the reaction is one of disbelief and refusal or if a renovation at the estimated costs is realistic.
Our primary focus for now is the house itself, less so the land or garden landscaping.
Unfortunately, I have never seen Grand Designs before – I didn’t know about it until now, but it sounds interesting – thanks for the recommendation.
Good luck
so it is correct that we would do very little ourselves (except possibly some helper tasks that require less expertise). We will see – as soon as we have sold here, I will probably arrange a site visit with an expert or architect to get a concrete assessment, and then we will see whether the reaction is one of disbelief and refusal or if a renovation at the estimated costs is realistic.
Our primary focus for now is the house itself, less so the land or garden landscaping.
Unfortunately, I have never seen Grand Designs before – I didn’t know about it until now, but it sounds interesting – thanks for the recommendation.
Good luck