ᐅ Conversion of a Multi-Generation House – Uneasy Experience with General Contractor
Created on: 29 Jan 2022 22:31
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cryptoflam
Hello everyone,
My wife and I, together with her mother, have decided to convert the existing single-family house into a multi-generational home. Unfortunately, the house is not large enough to accommodate two households, and additionally, the roof is not insulated yet. Besides an extension, there is also renovation work needed.
Below, I will summarize our experience with our general contractor (GC), as we are currently very uncertain about how to proceed.
In short: Are we being too naive, or do we simply have the wrong expectations?
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In January 2021, based on a recommendation, we got in touch with a GC who inspected the house with us and discussed our ideas. Afterwards, he gave us an offer for the planning phase, which we started with his wife as the architect.
This was the first time we asked for a rough cost estimate for the entire project. Our GC replied that it was difficult for him to give a price without plans but promised to provide one before submitting the building permit / planning permission application.
Planning
Since the planned extension requires approval, we decided with the architect to create a preliminary design to use as a basis for a building inquiry at our local planning authority.
Our planning authority now generally rejects preliminary building inquiries and only responds to specific applications. So basically, we have to plan and hope... (2 drafts were basically wasted).
The planning phase has been slow because the architect keeps forgetting agreements, and we have to remind her of previous points during meetings. Additionally, the first two plans did not include access to the existing basement, which caused problems in the designs.
Between June and December, we worked with her on four different drafts.
We have come to realize that we probably focused too much on details.
Now, one year later, we have a design we are about 90% satisfied with. In hindsight, it might have been better to move forward earlier with a 70% solution...
Then came the big day for the rough cost estimate. We sat down with our GC and discussed the desired quality levels, etc.
Yesterday, we received an email from the GC stating that his brother (who runs the construction company) cannot prepare the cost calculation without structural engineering and formwork/reinforcement plans. (Cost for these is 2,500 Euros).
Now we are a bit shocked and at a loss:
We have already spent nearly 11,000 Euros on the architect’s plans without knowing whether the entire renovation project is financially feasible for us.
The existing plans have not been checked by a structural engineer, nor is it clear if the planned extension will even be approved in its current form.
Our GC still refuses to provide a cost estimate, citing the lack of structural engineering as the reason.
(Surveyors, energy consultants, and others are also still missing, of course.)
We are currently concerned that this might be getting out of hand and are feeling uneasy about the whole situation.
I would appreciate any advice.
My main questions:
Is all of this normal? Are we simply inexperienced?
Should we seek a second opinion or look for another GC, etc.?
Thank you!
My wife and I, together with her mother, have decided to convert the existing single-family house into a multi-generational home. Unfortunately, the house is not large enough to accommodate two households, and additionally, the roof is not insulated yet. Besides an extension, there is also renovation work needed.
Below, I will summarize our experience with our general contractor (GC), as we are currently very uncertain about how to proceed.
In short: Are we being too naive, or do we simply have the wrong expectations?
______
In January 2021, based on a recommendation, we got in touch with a GC who inspected the house with us and discussed our ideas. Afterwards, he gave us an offer for the planning phase, which we started with his wife as the architect.
This was the first time we asked for a rough cost estimate for the entire project. Our GC replied that it was difficult for him to give a price without plans but promised to provide one before submitting the building permit / planning permission application.
Planning
Since the planned extension requires approval, we decided with the architect to create a preliminary design to use as a basis for a building inquiry at our local planning authority.
Our planning authority now generally rejects preliminary building inquiries and only responds to specific applications. So basically, we have to plan and hope... (2 drafts were basically wasted).
The planning phase has been slow because the architect keeps forgetting agreements, and we have to remind her of previous points during meetings. Additionally, the first two plans did not include access to the existing basement, which caused problems in the designs.
Between June and December, we worked with her on four different drafts.
We have come to realize that we probably focused too much on details.
Now, one year later, we have a design we are about 90% satisfied with. In hindsight, it might have been better to move forward earlier with a 70% solution...
Then came the big day for the rough cost estimate. We sat down with our GC and discussed the desired quality levels, etc.
Yesterday, we received an email from the GC stating that his brother (who runs the construction company) cannot prepare the cost calculation without structural engineering and formwork/reinforcement plans. (Cost for these is 2,500 Euros).
Now we are a bit shocked and at a loss:
We have already spent nearly 11,000 Euros on the architect’s plans without knowing whether the entire renovation project is financially feasible for us.
The existing plans have not been checked by a structural engineer, nor is it clear if the planned extension will even be approved in its current form.
Our GC still refuses to provide a cost estimate, citing the lack of structural engineering as the reason.
(Surveyors, energy consultants, and others are also still missing, of course.)
We are currently concerned that this might be getting out of hand and are feeling uneasy about the whole situation.
I would appreciate any advice.
My main questions:
Is all of this normal? Are we simply inexperienced?
Should we seek a second opinion or look for another GC, etc.?
Thank you!
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cryptoflam30 Jan 2022 11:34HilfeHilfe schrieb:
Didn't you once consider contacting a different general contractor?What would be the point of looking for another contractor without any planning?cryptoflam schrieb:
As far as I know, my mother-in-law doesn’t have any up-to-date as-built drawings.Spent eleven thousand, but didn’t get a survey of the existing conditions — how does that even happen? *scratching head and shaking it at the same time*https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
cryptoflam schrieb:
The best we have are the plans from the 1989 building permit application, which were never carried out. I have attached them, [...] (I need to split the plans since unfortunately no more than 10 attachments are allowed..) 1) Who created the drawings in posts 6 and 7 – do they represent one of the Elfmille designs or all belong to the 1989 plans (and were the latter ever approved)?
2) Is the 1989 plan author no longer active and without a successor firm; what was the reason for the project not being realized?
https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
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cryptoflam30 Jan 2022 20:1311ant schrieb:
Spent eleven thousand without having received a structural assessment – how does that even happen? *scratches head and shakes at the same time* Yes; unfortunately, I would now attribute this to inexperience and naivety. The architect apparently thought she could work with the old plans.
11ant schrieb:
1) Who created the drawings in posts 6 and 7 – do they represent the eleven-thousand-dollar plan or the one from 1989 (and was the latter ever approved)?
2) Is the 1989 plan author no longer active and has no successor in the office; what was the reason for the project not being realized? Post 6 shows the current plan status and was created by the general contractor’s wife.
Post 7 is the approved but unrealized building plan from 1989. At that time, the plan was already to convert the house into a multi-family dwelling, but my mother-in-law’s father passed away unexpectedly, so the project was not carried out.
The architect from that time passed away in the early 2000s and the office was closed.
cryptoflam schrieb:
The architect apparently said she could work with the plans from back then. If these were properly prepared and nothing has changed since, it might save the effort of taking new measurements. I find a wall thickness of 34 cm (13 inches) worth clarifying, as to which wall structure it corresponds.
cryptoflam schrieb:
Post 6 shows the current plan status and comes from the general contractor’s wife. The new dormer widths might be eligible for exemption. In principle, I consider replacing rooms with special boundary privileges by rooms without such privileges as not approvable. My assumption is that the house is attached on the right side (from the plan view) to the neighboring house as a semi-detached house (?), but not a terraced house (?), so a boundary setback must be maintained from the neighbor on the left side—depending on the federal state, usually 3.0 or 2.5 meters (10 ft or 8 ft) or more. However, here the entire previous 5.4 meters (18 ft) boundary setback is occupied by living spaces that do not have boundary privileges. If I were at your building department, I would probably go on break every time I saw you approaching. A certain level of professionalism must be expected from those authorized to submit plans to the building authority.
https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
How many parking spaces are required in your area? I see two, but often 1.5 parking spaces per residential unit are required. Why don’t you move the carport a bit to the right? As it is now, if two cars are parked there, you won’t be able to access the garden gate.
Does your neighbor have a basement? If not, dealing with drainage might be tricky.
The issue with the setback from the property line, as mentioned by 11ant, has also caught my attention. Has this already been clarified with the building authority / planning department?
Does your neighbor have a basement? If not, dealing with drainage might be tricky.
The issue with the setback from the property line, as mentioned by 11ant, has also caught my attention. Has this already been clarified with the building authority / planning department?
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