ᐅ Realistic Cost Estimate: Single-Family Home with Challenging Site Access
Created on: 20 Jan 2023 10:50
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schmeissrein
Hello everyone,
I have been following this forum for a while and first of all, a big thank you to everyone who shares their advice here and sometimes also speaks hard truths. I didn’t originally want to create a new thread but intended to form an opinion based on other discussions. However, you convinced me that this building project is too individual for that. So here is our plan:
- Building a new single-family house in the far north of Germany (Schleswig-Flensburg region).
- Plot size is over 1000sqm (10,764 sq ft).
- Total square meters are not so important as long as the layout works.
- Basement is not planned.
What we would like:
- Open-plan kitchen-living area of at least 36m² (388 sq ft).
- Guest room (at least 10m² / 108 sq ft) and small guest bathroom with shower on the ground floor, so that in old age, with disability, or a broken leg, the ground floor can be used independently and possibly serve as a bedroom.
- Utility room / storage room / pantry with heat pump of at least 8m² (86 sq ft) (KfW 40 standard would be great, of course).
- Upper floor with three rooms (1 office, 1 master bedroom, 1 child’s room) each at least 14m² (151 sq ft) and one bathroom. Our dream would be a “walk-in” (what a silly word – aren’t all showers walk-in?) shower to avoid having to clean those limescale-rusty, annoying shower enclosures.
- We could contribute labor for garden landscaping and painting/wallpapering; otherwise, we would prefer a turnkey build.
As for the house style, regionally typical Frisian houses or captain’s houses (with all the “cute” features like small gables, etc.) are in consideration, or also not completely unimaginative “normal” single-family houses. We are not afraid of Bauhaus-style concrete marvels either, but those tend to be more expensive. In terms of fittings, no “gold-plated faucets” and no smart home – but decent and presentable.
The big BUT: the plot is not connected to utilities, and the distance to the street is about 65m (213 ft), of which 50m (164 ft) is a paved driveway and paved parking area that would have to be dug up (across another property). The connection costs and incidental construction costs worry us quite a bit. Does anyone have experience with such a “mammoth connection” for a relatively small building project? What realistic costs should we expect for both?
We would greatly appreciate any thoughts on this project, thank you very much in advance!
I have been following this forum for a while and first of all, a big thank you to everyone who shares their advice here and sometimes also speaks hard truths. I didn’t originally want to create a new thread but intended to form an opinion based on other discussions. However, you convinced me that this building project is too individual for that. So here is our plan:
- Building a new single-family house in the far north of Germany (Schleswig-Flensburg region).
- Plot size is over 1000sqm (10,764 sq ft).
- Total square meters are not so important as long as the layout works.
- Basement is not planned.
What we would like:
- Open-plan kitchen-living area of at least 36m² (388 sq ft).
- Guest room (at least 10m² / 108 sq ft) and small guest bathroom with shower on the ground floor, so that in old age, with disability, or a broken leg, the ground floor can be used independently and possibly serve as a bedroom.
- Utility room / storage room / pantry with heat pump of at least 8m² (86 sq ft) (KfW 40 standard would be great, of course).
- Upper floor with three rooms (1 office, 1 master bedroom, 1 child’s room) each at least 14m² (151 sq ft) and one bathroom. Our dream would be a “walk-in” (what a silly word – aren’t all showers walk-in?) shower to avoid having to clean those limescale-rusty, annoying shower enclosures.
- We could contribute labor for garden landscaping and painting/wallpapering; otherwise, we would prefer a turnkey build.
As for the house style, regionally typical Frisian houses or captain’s houses (with all the “cute” features like small gables, etc.) are in consideration, or also not completely unimaginative “normal” single-family houses. We are not afraid of Bauhaus-style concrete marvels either, but those tend to be more expensive. In terms of fittings, no “gold-plated faucets” and no smart home – but decent and presentable.
The big BUT: the plot is not connected to utilities, and the distance to the street is about 65m (213 ft), of which 50m (164 ft) is a paved driveway and paved parking area that would have to be dug up (across another property). The connection costs and incidental construction costs worry us quite a bit. Does anyone have experience with such a “mammoth connection” for a relatively small building project? What realistic costs should we expect for both?
We would greatly appreciate any thoughts on this project, thank you very much in advance!
@schmeissrein: The house will work. The shower should be slightly enlarged, then the bathroom can even be nice (if you want it with a corner bathtub). I would rotate the toilet and place it under the sloped ceiling.
@kati1337 actually had the same bathroom. Maybe she can provide you with her old floor plan from TöMei… it’s an average, solid layout, but I think about 150 square meters (1,615 square feet)…
Since you don’t do large grocery shopping every day, but have a lot of trash, rubbish, and stuff alongside washed laundry in this room, the door will probably stay locked most of the time… that’s more practical. Also, there is an obvious entrance door, where you can enter the house and use the toilet directly from the hallway as the layout suggests. Use it as an emergency door with a window and that’s fine.
@SoL: The niche in the utility room is good for the technical equipment. You would need the measurements and to draft everything. Then the front area remains for the utility room functions.
@WilderSueden: Such planned windows are not uncommon in the houses here on the forum. Instagram and Pinterest show many such decorated windowsills – this is what “people” want.
@hanghaus2023: The original poster does not want a fireplace. Using the bed under the sloped ceiling wastes valuable square meters. Keep in mind the attic doesn’t really have 61 square meters (655 square feet)! You have to manage the space carefully.
@11ant: The general contractor shouldn’t be worse than Heinz von Heiden, just more local, so that’s a plus.
This is exactly what a forum like this is for, to discuss these “unthought-out” floor plans.
@kati1337 actually had the same bathroom. Maybe she can provide you with her old floor plan from TöMei… it’s an average, solid layout, but I think about 150 square meters (1,615 square feet)…
Since you don’t do large grocery shopping every day, but have a lot of trash, rubbish, and stuff alongside washed laundry in this room, the door will probably stay locked most of the time… that’s more practical. Also, there is an obvious entrance door, where you can enter the house and use the toilet directly from the hallway as the layout suggests. Use it as an emergency door with a window and that’s fine.
@SoL: The niche in the utility room is good for the technical equipment. You would need the measurements and to draft everything. Then the front area remains for the utility room functions.
@WilderSueden: Such planned windows are not uncommon in the houses here on the forum. Instagram and Pinterest show many such decorated windowsills – this is what “people” want.
@hanghaus2023: The original poster does not want a fireplace. Using the bed under the sloped ceiling wastes valuable square meters. Keep in mind the attic doesn’t really have 61 square meters (655 square feet)! You have to manage the space carefully.
@11ant: The general contractor shouldn’t be worse than Heinz von Heiden, just more local, so that’s a plus.
This is exactly what a forum like this is for, to discuss these “unthought-out” floor plans.
ypg schrieb:
TM has never earned any fame for their floor plans.
We had a very similar bathroom.
We only had one washbasin, but the toilet was right next to it, and in the alcove we had storage space for a towel shelf. There was also room to hide the laundry basket.
Edit: Our floor plan from T&M was the "G 164" from their catalog. The changes we made were quite specific, so I would mainly refer to the catalog house.
We only had one washbasin, but the toilet was right next to it, and in the alcove we had storage space for a towel shelf. There was also room to hide the laundry basket.
Edit: Our floor plan from T&M was the "G 164" from their catalog. The changes we made were quite specific, so I would mainly refer to the catalog house.
ypg schrieb:
@11ant The general contractor (GC) shouldn’t be any worse than Heinz von Heiden, just more regional, so that’s a plus.
This type of forum exists precisely for those “unconsidered” floor plans. No. I am happy to consider helping future homeowners fix unconsidered floor plans as part of this forum community’s role. But a house provider is certainly supposed to employ 2 paid professionals for that, and 1. only offer a standard house model to customers once the product has reached an appropriate level of market readiness. Before a standard house is listed in the catalogue, it should have passed its general rehearsal successfully—and ideally many times. If any weaknesses become apparent during this process, they must be eliminated before the catalogue release. There must be no unplanned routing of installations or floor openings without corresponding counterparts. These are the “privilege” of amateur planners, lacking experience, training, and using SketchUp (SH3D) instead of professional CAD software.
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motorradsilke28 Jan 2023 04:01ypg schrieb:
Since you don’t do large shopping trips every day, but you do have a lot of trash, rubbish, and clutter alongside washed laundry in this room, the door will probably remain locked most of the time… that’s more practical. Besides, there is a designated entrance door that leads directly into the hallway, allowing you to enter the house and use the toilet as the layout of the hallway suggests. Use the NET door as an emergency exit with a window, and that’s fine.
At the same time, you can use this NET door to take laundry outside to hang, take out the trash, come in with dirty items, quickly rinse something off since there will be a sink there, and possibly use it as an exit to the garden and garage…. We have it like that too, and we love it. When we are at home, it gets used more often than the main entrance.
The laundry route couldn’t be any longer. I also don’t like it when you have to squeeze past the cooking pots from Sunday roast with dirty laundry, or when the fresh laundry smells like food or motor oil right away. I would at least plan a laundry chute from the bathroom.
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hanghaus202328 Jan 2023 08:47ypg schrieb:
@hanghaus2023 : The client doesn’t want a fireplace. Using a bed under the sloped ceiling makes good use of valuable square meters. Keep in mind, the attic floor doesn’t actually have 61 sq m (650 sq ft)! You really have to manage the space efficiently.
Furniture can be moved. I was more concerned about moving the walls. If the client doesn’t want a fireplace, why does the general contractor include it in the plans?
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