ᐅ Third-coat plastering without painter’s fleece?

Created on: 3 Sep 2020 17:56
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Kuota88
Hello everyone,

After a long search for a painter, we have finally received a quote from a company that is highly rated, seems competent, and also regularly works on new construction projects.

The painter suggests only applying paintable wallpaper to the ceilings and smoothing the walls to level Q3, including joint tape, then priming and painting.

Is this approach common? We had assumed that paintable wallpaper is usually applied everywhere.

Best regards
kati13373 Sep 2020 19:41
Kuota88 schrieb:

@kati1337
Are you building with solid construction or timber frame? We are using gypsum fiber boards as the base.
We are building with solid construction.
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Kuota88
3 Sep 2020 19:57
Maybe we shouldn’t cut costs in the wrong areas and just use fleece everywhere. However, every painter seems to have a different opinion. The current offer with Q3 finishing and painting for €15,000 (150 m² (1,615 sq ft) of living space) is quite tempting...
K1300S3 Sep 2020 20:09
I would rather ask how much Q2 plus fleece costs. If that is done properly, Q3 is not necessary.
kati13373 Sep 2020 20:15
Kuota88 schrieb:

Maybe we shouldn’t cut costs in the wrong places and just use fleece everywhere. But every painter says something different. The current offer with Q3 and painting for €15,000 (150m² (1,615 sq ft) living space) is quite tempting...
Phew, it doesn’t seem that cheap to me either.
K1300S schrieb:

I would rather ask what Q2 plus fleece costs. If that’s done well, Q3 isn’t necessary.
I agree. We received Q2 from the general contractor (which the painter considers good for Q2).
We pay our painter less than €6,000 (including materials). He does minor repairs/filling/sanding, primes the plaster and ceilings with opaque white primer, applies textured fleece wallpaper, and paints. He also handles some acrylic work upstairs.
We decided not to go below Q3.
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Kuota88
3 Sep 2020 20:43
We will ask about Q2 and fleece.

All offers so far have been around €22,000. A painter friend would use a filler fleece (which is supposed to be higher quality than painter’s fleece), and that would bring the cost to €18,000, but only if we prime and paint ourselves; otherwise, it would be all-inclusive at €22,500. Doing the priming and painting ourselves is still an option—although it involves work, our four left hands should be enough for the painting.
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Crossy
3 Sep 2020 21:49
I would recommend using fleece. It not only covers potential settlement cracks but also makes the wall more forgiving to minor bumps. If you hit the bare plaster on your nicely finished level 3 walls (for example, during moving, cleaning, or whatever), you can easily create a small dent directly in the plaster. A slightly thicker fleece layer helps the wall withstand such light impacts. It basically acts as a protective layer for the plaster.

I especially noticed this with friends in new builds. The walls are actually very smooth, but I was surprised by all the small dents (especially around the stairs). They didn’t have fleece on the walls, just skim-coated plaster.