Hi everyone,
I’m starting a general discussion thread about Habeck’s photovoltaic Easter package. We are currently in the new construction phase and are considering waiting until all the details are clear. If it becomes interesting, do you have any information—or would you start right away? Without higher self-consumption, the topic of photovoltaics is becoming less and less attractive. I’ll quote an article on the subject:
“For private new builds, the coalition government aims to make the installation of photovoltaic systems standard. To this end, Habeck promised better funding rates and simplified use of photovoltaics.”
At first, I thought the Easter package mainly referred to commercial systems, but apparently, there is also support available for private homeowners.
I’m starting a general discussion thread about Habeck’s photovoltaic Easter package. We are currently in the new construction phase and are considering waiting until all the details are clear. If it becomes interesting, do you have any information—or would you start right away? Without higher self-consumption, the topic of photovoltaics is becoming less and less attractive. I’ll quote an article on the subject:
“For private new builds, the coalition government aims to make the installation of photovoltaic systems standard. To this end, Habeck promised better funding rates and simplified use of photovoltaics.”
At first, I thought the Easter package mainly referred to commercial systems, but apparently, there is also support available for private homeowners.
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Hausbautraum2020 Apr 2022 10:31Crixton schrieb:
Highly dependent on the region and the workload of the companies.
Sometimes these are already "defensive offers" rather than actual "bids."Capacity is very high. The earliest company can install in March 23.
Hausbautraum20 schrieb:
Is your system new or has it been in operation for a while?My system is new… installed this spring… but the order was placed back in spring 2021.
However, with 29 kWp, it’s not directly comparable to yours.
Hausbautraum20 schrieb:
Our best offer (out of 5 so far) for a photovoltaic system is €13,000 for 7 kWp.I still find that quite expensive despite price increases! But I guess it really depends on the region and the workload of the local solar installers.
Can you go for a larger system? Maybe that would bring the price per kWp down a bit…
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Deliverer20 Apr 2022 20:48Hausbautraum20 schrieb:
Our best offer (out of five so far) for a photovoltaic system is €13,000 for 7 kWp. Have you deducted taxes? Without tax, a small system like that shouldn’t cost more than €1,500 per kWp. For 12 to 15 kWp, the current target is around €1,300 per kWp. (And these are realistic prices – I saw the latest quote with this price just the day before yesterday. In the expensive Baden-Württemberg region.)
The first step now would be to find space for more kWp. Seven is quite small. Many solar installers won’t even come out for below 10 kWp these days. Almost any roof works, often even north-facing ones.
The second step is to keep searching and possibly wait. The market is really overheated at the moment.
Hausbautraum20 schrieb:
Or significantly higher self-consumption through things like electric cars. Electric cars and heat pumps will both come within the system’s lifespan. So you can definitely factor some of that income into your calculations. Until then, don’t worry—instead, enjoy the really excellent low household energy consumption. Saving energy is actually even better than self-consuming it yourself! ;-)
Hausbautraum20 schrieb:
Is your system new or has it been running for a while?
Our best offer (out of now 5) for a photovoltaic system is 13,000€ for 7 kWp.
We have been going back and forth, but honestly, it hardly seems worthwhile.
So far, we consume 1,500 kWh. If we produce one-third of that ourselves, meaning 500 kWh, then we save €150 per year.
There would need to be a significant feed-in tariff of 6 cents to make it worthwhile.
Or a considerably higher self-consumption, for example through electric cars or similar.Wow, what am I doing wrong then? As two people, we need 4,000 kWh for 200 m² (2,150 sq ft) of living space... and another 4,000 kWh for heating and the electric car... I had 1,500 kWh last time I lived alone?!W
WilderSueden26 Apr 2022 00:36I don’t find that unrealistic at all. We’ve been using around 700–800 kWh for years, and even in the last two years with a lot of home office and a small child, it was just about 1000–1100 kWh. Of course, a house needs a bit more, but 1500 would also be my rough estimate for our consumption (without a heat pump). 4000 seems really extreme to me—are you running a small data center or something?
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Neubau202226 Apr 2022 07:39Deliverer schrieb:
Have you deducted tax? Without tax, a small system like that shouldn’t cost more than 1,500 € per kWp (kilowatt peak). For systems from 12 to 15 kWp (kilowatt peak) currently around 1,300 € per kWp (kilowatt peak) is expected. (And these are realistic prices – I saw the last offer with this price just the day before yesterday. In the expensive Baden-Württemberg region.)
The first step now would be to find space for more kWp (kilowatt peak). Seven is really quite small. Many solar systems don’t even pay off under 10 kWp (kilowatt peak) anymore. All roofs are suitable, often even north-facing ones.
The second step is to keep looking and possibly wait. The market is really overheated at the moment.
Both an electric car and a heat pump will be installed within the system’s lifespan. So you can definitely count some benefits on the plus side in your calculations. And until then, don’t worry – enjoy the really excellent, low household consumption. Saving energy is even better than self-consumption! ;-)Have prices really increased that much? Our 13.26 kWp (kilowatt peak) system (offer accepted at the end of 2021) cost 1,244 € gross per kWp (kilowatt peak). These are G8 modules in black (including the frames) with power optimizers, installation, grid connection, registration, and one free inspection after one year included in the price. Scaffolding was not included, but they could use it from the builder.
I didn’t quite understand the Easter package. From what I gathered, is it now for private individuals or for businesses without self-consumption work? The modules are already installed. The connection will happen in about 1-2 months. As a private person, can you still benefit from the Easter package?
WilderSueden schrieb:
I don’t find that so unrealistic either. For years, we have always had around 700–800 kWh (kilowatt hours), and even the last two years with lots of home office and a small child only about 1,000–1,100 kWh (kilowatt hours). Of course, a house needs a bit more, but 1,500 kWh (kilowatt hours) would be about my estimate for our consumption (without a heat pump). I find 4,000 kWh (kilowatt hours) very extreme – are you running a small data center there?How does that work? We are three people (two adults and one child) and have 2,500 kWh (kilowatt hours) per year. Only LED lighting is used throughout. The only two consumers are the 65-inch TV and the tumble dryer. But the dryer shouldn’t consume 1,000 kWh (kilowatt hours) per year, right?
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