ᐅ Ridge direction: parallel to the street or at a 90-degree angle?
Created on: 22 Oct 2024 23:31
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UnfähigerBeamt
Hello,
the development plan for our building area does not specify the ridge direction. It only defines the buildable area on the plot (building boundary). Our plot is not a regular rectangular shape but an irregular one (see image). The inner dashed line represents the setback area. The road runs along the southern edge (at the bottom), where the driveway is also located. The detailed development plan does not mention any ridge direction requirements. This is also reflected by the existing houses, where the ridge does not always point in the same direction.
Because of the irregular shape of the plot, we wanted to position our house at an angle to make the best use of the south/west-facing area. Suddenly, a guy from the district office says no, a house always has to be parallel or perpendicular (90 degrees) to the street. He said he cannot approve an angle of about 70 degrees. I cannot find any information about this anywhere. Our architect was also unaware of this, as the development plan does not contain any such details, so it was assumed that within the building boundary, we could rotate and position the house as we like. Now I am a bit speechless. Has anyone ever heard of such a “rule,” or was that guy just having a bad day?
If this really stands, it will be very difficult for us to orient the house or design the floor plan 🙁
the development plan for our building area does not specify the ridge direction. It only defines the buildable area on the plot (building boundary). Our plot is not a regular rectangular shape but an irregular one (see image). The inner dashed line represents the setback area. The road runs along the southern edge (at the bottom), where the driveway is also located. The detailed development plan does not mention any ridge direction requirements. This is also reflected by the existing houses, where the ridge does not always point in the same direction.
Because of the irregular shape of the plot, we wanted to position our house at an angle to make the best use of the south/west-facing area. Suddenly, a guy from the district office says no, a house always has to be parallel or perpendicular (90 degrees) to the street. He said he cannot approve an angle of about 70 degrees. I cannot find any information about this anywhere. Our architect was also unaware of this, as the development plan does not contain any such details, so it was assumed that within the building boundary, we could rotate and position the house as we like. Now I am a bit speechless. Has anyone ever heard of such a “rule,” or was that guy just having a bad day?
If this really stands, it will be very difficult for us to orient the house or design the floor plan 🙁
UnfähigerBeamt schrieb:
Doesn't it just bypass the desk of the stuffy old man, so the issue should be settled, right?I don’t think it’s that simple when the district administrator has a say in the decision. Anyway: What is the zoning plan like? Why are there building outlines shown if the area hasn’t been developed yet?
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UnfähigerBeamt23 Oct 2024 13:28What do you mean by building drawings? Each plot simply contains a proposed building.
UnfähigerBeamt schrieb:
What do you mean by building drawings? Just as you wrote:
UnfähigerBeamt schrieb:
He considers the "proposed building drawings on the development plan" as a binding ridge direction. The site plan includes the written regulations. Until just now, we were unaware of this here.
UnfähigerBeamt schrieb:
There is nothing about a ridge direction specified in the detailed development plan. That's not entirely correct, even if they are only suggestions.
UnfähigerBeamt schrieb:
You can also see this from the houses already built. The ridge does not always point in the same direction. So, if that might be true, then refer to it.
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hanghaus202323 Oct 2024 14:57Don’t worry too much. In my opinion, the way you plan it won’t work. No offense, I actually like it when someone starts with pen and paper. But you can’t really imagine it without walls.
Have you looked online for floor plans that you like?
Is there a slope? Or why have you designed it so long and narrow?
Have you looked online for floor plans that you like?
Is there a slope? Or why have you designed it so long and narrow?
UnfähigerBeamt schrieb:
So, I called the district administrator again. He considers the "proposed building outlines on the development plan" as binding ridge directions. When I pointed out again that it is only a proposal, he replied, "Life isn’t fair." I wouldn’t rule out that the development plan, by virtue of the legend and the house symbols, grants them legal force. Or it could be within the scope of the textual regulations, which are explicitly referenced in the legend here.
UnfähigerBeamt schrieb:
But he pointed me toward a loophole. If you submit it as a simplified approval (Freisteller) to the municipality, which then approves it (since they themselves say there is no ridge direction, and only the district administration interprets it that way), it never reaches the desk of the rigid old man, and the matter should be settled, right? ypg schrieb:
I think it’s not that simple if the district administrator has a say in the process. Forget the idea that the local official is an idiot you can bypass via a backdoor. The district administrator is simply the head of a higher authority in the procedure but is not simultaneously the supervisor of the municipal official. He cannot give instructions to the municipal official, nor override the prescribed procedural steps, nor bypass the designated instance, or anything similar. He could not convert a simplified approval into a building permit. I cannot and do not want to give a seminar on the many legal aspects involved here beyond public service law, so in short: “That’s not possible!” You have two options: A. follow the simplified approval route. But for that, you must be absolutely certain that you do not violate any regulations, or you risk a construction stop, fines, and demolition orders. Or B. follow the classic building permit application route. Only if the official then actually forwards it with a negative recommendation can the district administrator override that recommendation and recognize and approve the application as valid.
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11ant schrieb:
Only when the case officer actually forwards it with a negative recommendation can the district administrator override this advice and approve the application as fully justified.... of course, it should be "der" case officer. Strange typo.https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
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