ᐅ Preparing a Smart Home for Future Expansion (No Wireless/Cloud)

Created on: 3 Sep 2023 13:18
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Numrollen
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Numrollen
3 Sep 2023 13:18
Hello,
I am currently building a house; the walls are up, and the roof will be installed in the next few days. I work in IT, but for cost reasons, and because my electrician isn’t very familiar with the topic, I haven’t paid much attention to smart home systems. HOWEVER, I would like to prepare everything so that the basics are in place. I would rather not have to open up walls again later just because I got bored. Ideally, KNX would be great, but it’s quite expensive. My preferred option is probably Home Assistant; I will definitely install my own server using Docker/VMs. That will be a lot of work. Or simply a basic system like Homematic wired. This is my intention and line of thought. Here are some additional points to help understand what is important to me and what I have already planned.

- Power over Ethernet (PoE) RJ45 cables planned so far for the garage door, 2 outdoor cameras (if installed), front door, and 2 ceiling access points.
- I do not want any product that requires an internet connection. If there is an app, it should be optional and accessed via VPN into the house before use—no “cloud product” from a manufacturer. Also for data privacy reasons.
- I would like everything to be wired wherever possible, no wireless/Wi-Fi.

Now that electrical wiring is about to begin and I will soon be chiseling wall channels:
- What makes sense to wire, and which type of cables? For example, electric roller shutters are currently controlled by a classic switch at the door. Which cables should I run down to the fuse box? Just extend the existing 2-wire cable? Or should I run at least one RJ45 cable per room to the control boxes?
- For lighting, I might extend only outdoor lights and living room lights. The hallway will be controlled by a motion sensor, and I don’t currently see any point in individual room lighting control (or do I?).
- How much space should I allow for the distribution board/panel, or should I keep some free space? Or would it be better to install a second panel next to it in 1-4 years instead of reserving empty space now?

Are there any other aspects I should consider now that would be difficult to deal with later?

I would really appreciate it if someone with experience could help me out.

Best regards, and have a great Sunday!
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sysrun80
3 Sep 2023 14:08
Same situation: New build almost finished, IT professional, experienced with Home Assistant, KNX too expensive.

Question: What is your issue with wireless? Rely on Wi-Fi (Shelly) and Zigbee. Everything local. No cloud. I haven’t had any problems with this setup in recent years. The key is to have a proper infrastructure (Unifi system or similar). Wi-Fi performance is excellent, and I also use their cameras.
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Numrollen
3 Sep 2023 14:15
Often the same choice because of data privacy, as I don’t want to make a big deal out of it. Wired connections always work, and there’s no need to debate their reliability. Wi-Fi/wireless uses more power, and wired is more secure or at least cannot be intercepted from outside. Or I use a definitive argument: I don’t want to have to sleep wrapped in aluminum foil.

I now have the opportunity to install wiring. If I mess it up, I’ll eventually need some wireless equipment, but I want to avoid that as much as possible! I also don’t want to commit to a single standard right away.
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sysrun80
3 Sep 2023 14:35
Alright, have fun looking for a system. Besides KNX, I don’t know of any open ones. Sure, Loxone, Homematic IP. But in that case, you might as well stick with KNX. I also had the argument about being able to still lay cables now. And then?

What was more important in the end: deep back boxes and plenty of CAT cables.

I’ll follow the thread and am curious.
rick20183 Sep 2023 15:32
Why should KNX be more expensive? It always depends. Cables are inexpensive. If you program yourself or set up the server, you save a lot of money.
Install a KNX wiring system. Then you can do whatever you want later.
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Numrollen
3 Sep 2023 15:34
Hello,
yes, thank you. But what is KNX wiring? My question was: What makes sense and how many conductors are needed, etc.?
Best regards