Hello friends,
as the thread title suggests, we plan to start building our house in 2016 and will begin planning with the architect in mid to late January.
The plot has already been purchased.
Development plan/restrictions: no development plan
- Plot size: 30m * 32m / 960sqm (31ft * 33ft / 10,333 sqft), access possible from south or west since it is a corner plot, to the east a 10m (33ft) wide buffer strip with meadow behind. To the north, the neighboring plot.
- Slope: none
- Site occupancy index (floor area ratio): 0.3
- Number of floors: 2 full floors, no basement
- Roof shape: "modern" gable roof with 17°-20° pitch (desired)
- Style: modern, white house, anthracite-colored windows with external blinds on the ground floor
- Orientation: ridge east/west
- Other requirements: a cistern of at least 3000L (790 gallons) required due to stormwater regulations
- Number of occupants: currently 2 people (29/27); children planned: 1-2
- Space requirements on ground floor and upper floor: spacious open living-dining area on the ground floor with a "separable" kitchen
- Office: office/fitness/guest room
- Overnight guests per year: currently 4, possibly more in the future
- Open architecture: high ground floor with ceiling height of 2.65-2.75m (8.7-9 ft)
- Open kitchen with island: kitchen island desired
- Number of dining seats: 8 people, large dining table
- Fireplace: as a "room divider" between dining and living areas
- Music/home theater wall: "home theater-capable living room," tensioned motorized screen (3.4m (11 ft) wide) + projector, 7.1 Dolby Surround (planned upgrade to Dolby Atmos with ceiling speakers later)
- Balcony/roof terrace: no balconies, terrace on the south side
- Garage/carport: double garage with storage space
House design
Who is responsible for the planning:
- Architect: from January onwards
- DIY with Sweet Home 3D (SH3D)
What is disliked: long hallways, uncertain how long the staircase needs to be with ceiling height of 2.65/2.75m (8.7/9 ft), currently estimated worst case length of 4.6m (15 ft).
Price estimate according to architect/planner: none yet. My estimate: with own work (bathroom/tiles/flooring/paving/painting) about 310,000€
Personal price limit for the house including fixtures: 350,000€
Preferred heating technology: gas boiler with solar system
If you had to give up something, which details/features could you do without?
- Could do without: upper floor can be smaller; kids’ rooms of 17sqm (183 sqft) would be sufficient. I’m not sure which is cheaper: 1) a bay window on the ground floor to connect to the large living-dining area or 2) as in the current sketch.
The double garage could also be a normal garage with a carport.
- Cannot do without: large living room with a minimum 4.2m (14 ft) wide wall opposite the couch. I wanted to place the heating system between the house and garage on the west side.
I would appreciate your feedback.
Many thanks! Greetings from Bavaria
as the thread title suggests, we plan to start building our house in 2016 and will begin planning with the architect in mid to late January.
The plot has already been purchased.
Development plan/restrictions: no development plan
- Plot size: 30m * 32m / 960sqm (31ft * 33ft / 10,333 sqft), access possible from south or west since it is a corner plot, to the east a 10m (33ft) wide buffer strip with meadow behind. To the north, the neighboring plot.
- Slope: none
- Site occupancy index (floor area ratio): 0.3
- Number of floors: 2 full floors, no basement
- Roof shape: "modern" gable roof with 17°-20° pitch (desired)
- Style: modern, white house, anthracite-colored windows with external blinds on the ground floor
- Orientation: ridge east/west
- Other requirements: a cistern of at least 3000L (790 gallons) required due to stormwater regulations
- Number of occupants: currently 2 people (29/27); children planned: 1-2
- Space requirements on ground floor and upper floor: spacious open living-dining area on the ground floor with a "separable" kitchen
- Office: office/fitness/guest room
- Overnight guests per year: currently 4, possibly more in the future
- Open architecture: high ground floor with ceiling height of 2.65-2.75m (8.7-9 ft)
- Open kitchen with island: kitchen island desired
- Number of dining seats: 8 people, large dining table
- Fireplace: as a "room divider" between dining and living areas
- Music/home theater wall: "home theater-capable living room," tensioned motorized screen (3.4m (11 ft) wide) + projector, 7.1 Dolby Surround (planned upgrade to Dolby Atmos with ceiling speakers later)
- Balcony/roof terrace: no balconies, terrace on the south side
- Garage/carport: double garage with storage space
House design
Who is responsible for the planning:
- Architect: from January onwards
- DIY with Sweet Home 3D (SH3D)
What is disliked: long hallways, uncertain how long the staircase needs to be with ceiling height of 2.65/2.75m (8.7/9 ft), currently estimated worst case length of 4.6m (15 ft).
Price estimate according to architect/planner: none yet. My estimate: with own work (bathroom/tiles/flooring/paving/painting) about 310,000€
Personal price limit for the house including fixtures: 350,000€
Preferred heating technology: gas boiler with solar system
If you had to give up something, which details/features could you do without?
- Could do without: upper floor can be smaller; kids’ rooms of 17sqm (183 sqft) would be sufficient. I’m not sure which is cheaper: 1) a bay window on the ground floor to connect to the large living-dining area or 2) as in the current sketch.
The double garage could also be a normal garage with a carport.
- Cannot do without: large living room with a minimum 4.2m (14 ft) wide wall opposite the couch. I wanted to place the heating system between the house and garage on the west side.
I would appreciate your feedback.
Many thanks! Greetings from Bavaria
The walk-in closet is too narrow at 2m (6.6 feet) wide if you actually want wardrobes on both sides. With wardrobe depths of 60cm (24 inches), you only have 80cm (31.5 inches) left, but that is just the rough construction measurement. I would find that uncomfortable. I am currently planning with about 2.5m (8.2 feet), which after plastering and two wardrobes still leaves a comfortable 1.2m (47 inches) of space.
I don’t see the fireplace as a problem. I would simply close off the "niche" between the southern wall of bedroom 2 and the fireplace on the upper floor or install a built-in shelf there.
I don’t see the fireplace as a problem. I would simply close off the "niche" between the southern wall of bedroom 2 and the fireplace on the upper floor or install a built-in shelf there.
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*Hausbau*19 Feb 2016 12:43@Neige:
The room divider in the kitchen should be something like this ' link removed by moderation '.
So, 4 elements with a width of about 1.x meters (3.x feet). I’m just not sure if it will be perceived as disruptive if all the elements are placed on one side. With a width of 4.27 meters (14 feet), one quarter would extend into the room.
The "government" wants a kitchen island with a cooktop; I have creative freedom for the projector/screen.
@matte1987:
In the walk-in closet, I was thinking of Ikea shelving systems. Two wardrobes wouldn’t work. But you’re right… it’s pretty tight. Maybe I can shave off 10–20 cm (4–8 inches) from the bathroom and bedroom.
The room divider in the kitchen should be something like this ' link removed by moderation '.
So, 4 elements with a width of about 1.x meters (3.x feet). I’m just not sure if it will be perceived as disruptive if all the elements are placed on one side. With a width of 4.27 meters (14 feet), one quarter would extend into the room.
The "government" wants a kitchen island with a cooktop; I have creative freedom for the projector/screen.
@matte1987:
In the walk-in closet, I was thinking of Ikea shelving systems. Two wardrobes wouldn’t work. But you’re right… it’s pretty tight. Maybe I can shave off 10–20 cm (4–8 inches) from the bathroom and bedroom.
Hello,
Regarding the walk-in closet, I might be able to help since ours is quite similar in design.
Ours is 2.13 meters wide (7 feet) and we have two wardrobes opposite each other, each 56 centimeters (22 inches) deep. There is still plenty of space to move between the wardrobes, and the doors can be opened easily.
If you are planning an open shelving system anyway, I don’t see any problems there.
Regarding the walk-in closet, I might be able to help since ours is quite similar in design.
Ours is 2.13 meters wide (7 feet) and we have two wardrobes opposite each other, each 56 centimeters (22 inches) deep. There is still plenty of space to move between the wardrobes, and the doors can be opened easily.
If you are planning an open shelving system anyway, I don’t see any problems there.
*Hausbau* schrieb:
So, 4 units with a width of about 1.x meters (3.x feet). I’m just not sure if it would be perceived as disturbing if all units are placed on one side. With a width of 4.27 meters (14 feet), one-quarter would jut out into the room. Personally, I would find that quite disturbing. It also takes up a considerable amount of usable space. This might make sense in restaurants, but certainly not in a residential area. I would rather consider having a partition wall with a built-in double glass sliding door.
Prepare the section for the partition wall so that there is potentially enough space between the door to the kitchen (which I would also plan as a sliding door recessed into the wall) and the intended partition wall for three 60cm (24 inches) kitchen tall cabinets. That way, if a side-by-side refrigerator is not absolutely necessary, there is space for a decent cooling appliance, a built-in oven, and additional storage.
Regarding a cooktop on the island—I think that’s mostly a trend from cooking shows—you can debate the pros and cons. For me, it offers no advantages. Especially considering that building a drywall soffit or ceiling duct for an island hood (for vented systems) becomes much more expensive. Besides, island hoods are generally much pricier than wall-mounted hoods.
It’s definitely worth discussing within the family whether a simple work island with a sink wouldn’t make more sense. You can prepare together comfortably, chat easily, and use the island perfectly as a buffet station during events. Just a thought to consider.
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*Hausbau*19 Feb 2016 15:07@Neige: Thanks for your suggestions, I’ll try to sketch it out.
We cook together almost every day, and with an island, we hoped to create even more "freedom."
The comparison to a pub is a bit harsh, but I find it funny... I only know it from traditional taverns myself. So far, I’ve only seen attractive solutions online, which were mostly retrofit options in case the "open" concept becomes too much for me. I can’t link anything here, but just google "room divider sliding door" and then check the images. I think there are some nice ones.
The side-by-side fridge/freezer has the following pros and cons:
But somehow we really wanted one anyway.
Oh, and the extractor hood will be a Bora system, but probably vented outside. You’re right about the prices, I hope there’s still a first version before the final offer.
I’ve never experienced a sliding door that doesn’t stick or catch at some point. The kitchen fitter also said it’s almost mandatory to place one at the kitchen entrance, otherwise the tall cabinets with oven, etc. get blocked, or collisions are almost guaranteed.
We cook together almost every day, and with an island, we hoped to create even more "freedom."
The comparison to a pub is a bit harsh, but I find it funny... I only know it from traditional taverns myself. So far, I’ve only seen attractive solutions online, which were mostly retrofit options in case the "open" concept becomes too much for me. I can’t link anything here, but just google "room divider sliding door" and then check the images. I think there are some nice ones.
The side-by-side fridge/freezer has the following pros and cons:
- Pros: Ice cubes
- Cons: Noisy, takes up a lot of space, front doesn’t always match the kitchen, uses a lot of electricity...
But somehow we really wanted one anyway.
Oh, and the extractor hood will be a Bora system, but probably vented outside. You’re right about the prices, I hope there’s still a first version before the final offer.
I’ve never experienced a sliding door that doesn’t stick or catch at some point. The kitchen fitter also said it’s almost mandatory to place one at the kitchen entrance, otherwise the tall cabinets with oven, etc. get blocked, or collisions are almost guaranteed.
*Hausbau* schrieb:
I hope there’s still a 1 in front of the quote I’m afraid not, it will definitely be more expensive.
Regarding the room dividers you mentioned, I took a look and there are actually some nice options. I just had those ugly ones from restaurants in my mind while writing...
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