ᐅ Preliminary Floor Plan Discussion Single-Family House with Gable Roof, 170 sqm
Created on: 3 Aug 2023 11:49
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Herr_Nord-DE_
Hello everyone,
we are planning to build and before consulting an architect, we would like to get your objective opinions on the floor plans we have posted. We really like this layout for the ground floor and upper floor and would like the architect to design something similar.
Please excuse the very simplified sketches; I’m not comfortable using these floor plan software programs, but I hope it’s understandable enough.
Notes on ground floor: Please disregard the pantry; the staircase should start straight and turn left at the top or simply be completely straight.
Notes on upper floor: We would like a walk-in closet attached to the bedroom with a connection to the bathroom. I have roughly marked this as we would like it, with the furniture in green. The T-shaped fixture in the bathroom should be rotated.
The main focus is on the room layout itself and whether there is enough storage space. Of course, the architect will need to adjust things, for example to align the stairs between ground and upper floor. The house should be about 170 square meters (1,830 square feet) and have a gable roof with a dormer. I have roughly indicated the approximate 2-meter (6.5 feet) height line in purple in a very basic way.
Thank you very much in advance.
Best regards,
Builder from the North
Development plan/restrictions
Plot size: 550 square meters (5,920 square feet)
Slope: no
Site coverage ratio
Floor area ratio
Building envelope, building line and boundary
Edge development
Number of parking spaces
Number of floors
Roof type
Architectural style
Orientation: south/west
Maximum height/limitations
Other specifications: NO DEVELOPMENT PLAN
Builders’ requirements
Architectural style, roof type, building type: gable roof, modern single-family house
Basement, floors: no basement, 1.5 floors with 140 cm (55 inches) knee wall from top of finished floor level
Number of people, ages: 2 adults, 2 children (third planned), 2 dogs
Space needs ground floor, upper floor:
Ground floor: office, utility room, guest toilet, kitchen/dining/living room
Upper floor: 3 children’s rooms, bedroom, walk-in closet, large bathroom
Office use: family use or home office? Home office
Guests per year: none
Open or closed layout: open
Conservative or modern construction: modern
Open kitchen, kitchen island: yes and yes
Number of dining seats: 6
Fireplace: initially included in the plan but discarded
Music/sound wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage, carport: 1 garage space, possibly carport later
Kitchen garden, greenhouse: no
Other wishes/features/daily routine, including reasons why certain things should or shouldn’t be included
House design
Who created the design:
– Planner from a construction company
– Architect
– Do-it-yourself
What do you particularly like? Why?
What don’t you like? Why?
Cost estimate by architect/planner:
Personal price limit for the house, including equipment: 500,000
Preferred heating system: air-to-water heat pump
If you had to give up on any details or extensions:
– Could give up on:
– Cannot give up on: there must be 3 children’s rooms on the upper floor
Why does the current design look like it does?
Standard design from the planner?
Which wishes were implemented by the architect?
A mix from many examples from various magazines...
What makes it particularly good or bad in your opinion?
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
we are planning to build and before consulting an architect, we would like to get your objective opinions on the floor plans we have posted. We really like this layout for the ground floor and upper floor and would like the architect to design something similar.
Please excuse the very simplified sketches; I’m not comfortable using these floor plan software programs, but I hope it’s understandable enough.
Notes on ground floor: Please disregard the pantry; the staircase should start straight and turn left at the top or simply be completely straight.
Notes on upper floor: We would like a walk-in closet attached to the bedroom with a connection to the bathroom. I have roughly marked this as we would like it, with the furniture in green. The T-shaped fixture in the bathroom should be rotated.
The main focus is on the room layout itself and whether there is enough storage space. Of course, the architect will need to adjust things, for example to align the stairs between ground and upper floor. The house should be about 170 square meters (1,830 square feet) and have a gable roof with a dormer. I have roughly indicated the approximate 2-meter (6.5 feet) height line in purple in a very basic way.
Thank you very much in advance.
Best regards,
Builder from the North
Development plan/restrictions
Plot size: 550 square meters (5,920 square feet)
Slope: no
Site coverage ratio
Floor area ratio
Building envelope, building line and boundary
Edge development
Number of parking spaces
Number of floors
Roof type
Architectural style
Orientation: south/west
Maximum height/limitations
Other specifications: NO DEVELOPMENT PLAN
Builders’ requirements
Architectural style, roof type, building type: gable roof, modern single-family house
Basement, floors: no basement, 1.5 floors with 140 cm (55 inches) knee wall from top of finished floor level
Number of people, ages: 2 adults, 2 children (third planned), 2 dogs
Space needs ground floor, upper floor:
Ground floor: office, utility room, guest toilet, kitchen/dining/living room
Upper floor: 3 children’s rooms, bedroom, walk-in closet, large bathroom
Office use: family use or home office? Home office
Guests per year: none
Open or closed layout: open
Conservative or modern construction: modern
Open kitchen, kitchen island: yes and yes
Number of dining seats: 6
Fireplace: initially included in the plan but discarded
Music/sound wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage, carport: 1 garage space, possibly carport later
Kitchen garden, greenhouse: no
Other wishes/features/daily routine, including reasons why certain things should or shouldn’t be included
House design
Who created the design:
– Planner from a construction company
– Architect
– Do-it-yourself
What do you particularly like? Why?
What don’t you like? Why?
Cost estimate by architect/planner:
Personal price limit for the house, including equipment: 500,000
Preferred heating system: air-to-water heat pump
If you had to give up on any details or extensions:
– Could give up on:
– Cannot give up on: there must be 3 children’s rooms on the upper floor
Why does the current design look like it does?
Standard design from the planner?
Which wishes were implemented by the architect?
A mix from many examples from various magazines...
What makes it particularly good or bad in your opinion?
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
Herr_Nord-DE_ schrieb:
Do you think 7 sqm (75 sq ft) is enough for a utility room? For a combined utility/storage room, 7 sqm (75 sq ft) is rather tight if there is no basement (what does the plot say about that?).
11ant schrieb:
Oh, I almost forgot to praise the discarded fireplace. That is a leftover from the pre-energy-saving regulation homes. And another compliment I forgot: finally a house without the sacred cow of “attached garage with connecting door” 🙂 🙂 🙂
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Herr_Nord-DE_3 Aug 2023 14:17It is a fairly level plot, and we actually do not want a basement.
Regarding the garage: a prefabricated garage for one car will be placed next to the house. However, access will still be through the front door.
Regarding the garage: a prefabricated garage for one car will be placed next to the house. However, access will still be through the front door.
Herr_Nord-DE_ schrieb:
It is a fairly level plot, and we actually do not want a basement. What Gisela "wants" is a case for Horst. For every horse defecating in front of the pharmacy, I encounter a hundred homeowners who misjudge the levelness of their plot. You can find the "11ant basement rule" explained through the forum search.
Herr_Nord-DE_ schrieb:
There will be a prefabricated garage next to the house for one car. However, access will still be through the front door. Then you should at least mark the garage with a thick red line indicating where it could interfere with windows.
Does a single garage satisfy parking space requirements? There are also municipalities with parking regulations, and regarding this, "no zoning plan / no building permit restrictions" is not a guaranteed exception.
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Herr_Nord-DE_ schrieb:
Please leave the staircase situation aside for now, I wish that were possible. A staircase is precisely THE element that influences the floors.
Shortening it just isn’t an option. That would make it too steep. The required length has to go somewhere. That’s exactly why it is designed the way it is in that particular plan.
But next topic:
Herr_Nord-DE_ schrieb:
where we would like it to be at the marked position. You missed what @11ant wrote: a knee wall of 1.40m (4 ft 7 in) won’t allow for a cupboard there, and by the way, not even a shower or toilet. And I’m not saying this to annoy you.
You’d probably have to make the house a bit bigger.
Where do the 1.40m (4 ft 7 in) come from, anyway?
Herr_Nord-DE_ schrieb:
NO DEVELOPMENT PLAN You do know that this is not a free pass for any kind of construction, right? You would still have to adapt to the neighboring buildings.
What kind of houses are right next door?
Herr_Nord-DE_ schrieb:
And do you think 7 sqm (75 sq ft) are enough for a utility room? No, definitely not. At least not for 5 people plus 2 dogs.
We have about 8.5 sqm (90 sq ft) for technical and storage space (pantry, recycling bags, drinks, cleaning supplies, etc.) plus 4 sqm (43 sq ft) in the attic for the utility room (washing machine + dryer). What kind of dogs are they? Dog crates, feeding bowls, accessories… how do you do laundry now? Ironing, storage of laundry to be ironed, dirty laundry, where do you iron?
If you’re going to involve an architect anyway, just give them the room program. They will create something that (hopefully) works from that. Then you can discuss the layout to see if the architect did a good job or if there are things that could be improved.
Otherwise, I would recommend reconsidering the two doors in the probably already tight bathroom for three children. You lose storage and maneuvering space because of that. You have to make compromises somewhere, although I would actually see two doors more as a benefit than a drawback. 😉
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Herr_Nord-DE_4 Aug 2023 14:44The 1.40 m (4 ft 7 in) knee wall looked good to us visually. We like sloped ceilings and once visited friends who have a house with a knee wall like that. Of course, it’s inconvenient for the wardrobe in the dressing room, since then a wardrobe can only be placed on the opposite side, which is really not enough...
The shower and toilet layout won’t work as is, yes. That’s why I suggested rotating the T-shape. Then it would work. We don’t want the bathroom to be smaller than 13 sqm (140 sq ft). I think that size should be suitable for a family bathroom? So would you prefer not to have two doors, and instead only access the bathroom from the hallway?
And yes, I know this is not a free pass. But in this neighborhood, you find all kinds of styles—from steep gable roofs to old town villas to flat roofs (our plot is a gap site). So I assume that a lot gets approved here, especially a typical gable roof house.
I already thought that 7 sqm (75 sq ft) would be tight. Strange that such sizes are so often seen in floor plans...?! Without a basement, you don’t really know where to put all the stuff anyway. Sure, there’s an attic, but that’s not really an option for cleaning supplies, dog gear, etc. By the way, there are two Labradors.
The shower and toilet layout won’t work as is, yes. That’s why I suggested rotating the T-shape. Then it would work. We don’t want the bathroom to be smaller than 13 sqm (140 sq ft). I think that size should be suitable for a family bathroom? So would you prefer not to have two doors, and instead only access the bathroom from the hallway?
And yes, I know this is not a free pass. But in this neighborhood, you find all kinds of styles—from steep gable roofs to old town villas to flat roofs (our plot is a gap site). So I assume that a lot gets approved here, especially a typical gable roof house.
I already thought that 7 sqm (75 sq ft) would be tight. Strange that such sizes are so often seen in floor plans...?! Without a basement, you don’t really know where to put all the stuff anyway. Sure, there’s an attic, but that’s not really an option for cleaning supplies, dog gear, etc. By the way, there are two Labradors.
Herr_Nord-DE_ schrieb:
And yes, I know that’s no free pass. But in this neighborhood, you find everything—from steep gable roofs and old town villas to flat roofs (our plot is an infill lot). So I assume that a lot gets approved here, especially a typical gable-roofed house. Not only laypeople are often surprised by the "formal similarities" (even if it’s just the eave heights) that seemingly mixed rows of houses in a neighborhood share, and more often than not, so-called "outliers" that might seem to set a precedent are actually just across the street within a differently regulated zone.
Herr_Nord-DE_ schrieb:
I already figured that 7sqm (75 sq ft) would be tight. [...] By the way, there are two Labradors. If you’re coming in with them from a muddy dirt road, a utility room of that size is practically needed just for the shower, drain, and boot storage. Then the washer and dryer will have to be stacked, and all the utility connections have to go somewhere else.
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