ᐅ Plot with Cutout for Electrical Substation / L-Shaped - Concept Exploration
Created on: 22 Oct 2019 22:42
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Traufgänger
Hello everyone,
We have received a plot of land with a small transformer station located at one corner. We have considered various options but haven’t been able to decide on anything yet. This is our first build, so perhaps others might see possibilities or ideas we haven’t thought of.
Development Plan / Restrictions
Plot size
Approx. 21m (69 feet) wide x 30m (98 feet) long – minus transformer station = 570 m² (6135 sq ft)
Slope
Very flat, about 1m (3.3 feet) difference across the entire site.
Road is the highest point, then gently slopes down by -1m (-3.3 feet)
Floor space index
See plan
Floor area ratio
See plan
Building envelope, building line and boundary
Marked on the plan, distances according to Baden-Württemberg state building regulations
Edge development
Non-residential building. To the right side of our plot, the planned residential building with a 3m (10 feet) garage on the neighbor’s boundary is shown.
Number of parking spaces
2 per dwelling unit
Number of stories
2
Max. building height 6.00m (20 feet)
Roof shape
Open, as far as I have read, all roof types are allowed within the corresponding angles
Architectural style
No specification
Orientation
Flexible within the building envelope
Maximum heights / limits
Max. building height 6.00m (20 feet),
Full building height 8.50m (28 feet)
Max. deviation of 0.50m (1.6 feet) allowed for single-family houses
Other notes:
Existing transformer station at the top left corner.
Setback areas marked on our plot.
Currently surrounded by an earth berm that the utility company temporarily placed on our land for renovation – it will be removed.
Client Requirements
Style, roof form, building type
We are quite unsure. A modern townhouse would be great; I like spacious, bright rooms. Flat roofs are less preferred due to waterproofing concerns. Our plan: a single-family home, possibly with two dwelling units for future renting or an immediate granny flat for a home office.
Basement, floors
1 basement planned for hobbies and home office; 2 full floors possible at a max. height of 6.00m (20 feet)?
Number of occupants, ages
4 people (possibly 5 if we’re lucky), 2 adults around 40 years old, 2 children aged 2 and 5 years
Room requirements on ground floor and upper floor
Ground floor: open living room combined with dining area + kitchen + home office or alternative bedroom for older age.
Shower on ground floor.
Office: dedicated home office space, real workspace usage.
Number of guest stays per year
About 5–6
Open or closed architecture
Preferably open, lots of light, I like floor-to-ceiling windows. Still looking for inspiration, ideas from what is common today and what we might be missing.
Modern construction, white bright rooms, lots of natural light, sun, rather bold, extraordinary.
So far, we might be a bit conventional.
Real kitchen, my wife cooks and bakes, with an island and breakfast bar for quick meals or takeaway pizza.
Number of dining seats
6 for daily use, 10 for parties.
Fireplace
Yes, integrated would be sufficient.
Music/Stereo wall
No specific plans at the moment.
Balcony, roof terrace
Balcony planned facing south, intended to serve as sun protection.
Garage, carport
Double garage at least 6x6m (20x20 feet) or larger to accommodate bicycles and children’s toys.
How would you position the garage? I’m not fully satisfied. A large garage would be nice, maybe even 8m length (26 feet) for a caravan? Though probably too big to fit.
Lawn/garden for playing football and children to run around.
House Design
Planner from a construction company
What do you like most? Why?
Practical layout with smooth transition to the outdoors from the living room, open roof, exposed beams would be nice but complicated and expensive due to double-layer construction.
What do you dislike? Why?
South elevation top, balcony design, window depths, and arrangement – we are unsure. It lacks some flair in the layout.
We welcome ideas or suggestions – do you see things or approaches that we don’t, new perspectives or things we might have completely
forgotten or overestimated?
Cost estimate according to architect/planner:
Open, quote pending
Personal budget limit for the house including fittings:
Still in the budgeting phase and not fully clear yet
Preferred heating technology:
Open to anything – underfloor heating is mandatory
If you had to give up something, what features or extras
-can you go without:
Studio
-can’t you do without:
Home office
Why is the design the way it is now?
E.g., number and function of rooms, competitor offer as a basis, necessity of the layout due to the plot
What is the most important/fundamental question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
What implementation ideas do you have that we haven’t considered to optimize the plot use? Ideas for the house to inspire or ground us welcome. First build.
Plot plan:

Neighborhood and roof shapes, etc.

Basement floor plan

Ground floor plan

Upper floor plan

Section

Possible 3D renderings


Thanks for all opinions and ideas.
Greetings from Swabia,
Traufgänger
We have received a plot of land with a small transformer station located at one corner. We have considered various options but haven’t been able to decide on anything yet. This is our first build, so perhaps others might see possibilities or ideas we haven’t thought of.
Development Plan / Restrictions
Plot size
Approx. 21m (69 feet) wide x 30m (98 feet) long – minus transformer station = 570 m² (6135 sq ft)
Slope
Very flat, about 1m (3.3 feet) difference across the entire site.
Road is the highest point, then gently slopes down by -1m (-3.3 feet)
Floor space index
See plan
Floor area ratio
See plan
Building envelope, building line and boundary
Marked on the plan, distances according to Baden-Württemberg state building regulations
Edge development
Non-residential building. To the right side of our plot, the planned residential building with a 3m (10 feet) garage on the neighbor’s boundary is shown.
Number of parking spaces
2 per dwelling unit
Number of stories
2
Max. building height 6.00m (20 feet)
Roof shape
Open, as far as I have read, all roof types are allowed within the corresponding angles
Architectural style
No specification
Orientation
Flexible within the building envelope
Maximum heights / limits
Max. building height 6.00m (20 feet),
Full building height 8.50m (28 feet)
Max. deviation of 0.50m (1.6 feet) allowed for single-family houses
Other notes:
Existing transformer station at the top left corner.
Setback areas marked on our plot.
Currently surrounded by an earth berm that the utility company temporarily placed on our land for renovation – it will be removed.
Client Requirements
Style, roof form, building type
We are quite unsure. A modern townhouse would be great; I like spacious, bright rooms. Flat roofs are less preferred due to waterproofing concerns. Our plan: a single-family home, possibly with two dwelling units for future renting or an immediate granny flat for a home office.
Basement, floors
1 basement planned for hobbies and home office; 2 full floors possible at a max. height of 6.00m (20 feet)?
Number of occupants, ages
4 people (possibly 5 if we’re lucky), 2 adults around 40 years old, 2 children aged 2 and 5 years
Room requirements on ground floor and upper floor
Ground floor: open living room combined with dining area + kitchen + home office or alternative bedroom for older age.
Shower on ground floor.
Office: dedicated home office space, real workspace usage.
Number of guest stays per year
About 5–6
Open or closed architecture
Preferably open, lots of light, I like floor-to-ceiling windows. Still looking for inspiration, ideas from what is common today and what we might be missing.
Modern construction, white bright rooms, lots of natural light, sun, rather bold, extraordinary.
So far, we might be a bit conventional.
Real kitchen, my wife cooks and bakes, with an island and breakfast bar for quick meals or takeaway pizza.
Number of dining seats
6 for daily use, 10 for parties.
Fireplace
Yes, integrated would be sufficient.
Music/Stereo wall
No specific plans at the moment.
Balcony, roof terrace
Balcony planned facing south, intended to serve as sun protection.
Garage, carport
Double garage at least 6x6m (20x20 feet) or larger to accommodate bicycles and children’s toys.
How would you position the garage? I’m not fully satisfied. A large garage would be nice, maybe even 8m length (26 feet) for a caravan? Though probably too big to fit.
Lawn/garden for playing football and children to run around.
House Design
Planner from a construction company
What do you like most? Why?
Practical layout with smooth transition to the outdoors from the living room, open roof, exposed beams would be nice but complicated and expensive due to double-layer construction.
What do you dislike? Why?
South elevation top, balcony design, window depths, and arrangement – we are unsure. It lacks some flair in the layout.
We welcome ideas or suggestions – do you see things or approaches that we don’t, new perspectives or things we might have completely
forgotten or overestimated?
Cost estimate according to architect/planner:
Open, quote pending
Personal budget limit for the house including fittings:
Still in the budgeting phase and not fully clear yet
Preferred heating technology:
Open to anything – underfloor heating is mandatory
If you had to give up something, what features or extras
-can you go without:
Studio
-can’t you do without:
Home office
Why is the design the way it is now?
E.g., number and function of rooms, competitor offer as a basis, necessity of the layout due to the plot
What is the most important/fundamental question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
What implementation ideas do you have that we haven’t considered to optimize the plot use? Ideas for the house to inspire or ground us welcome. First build.
Plot plan:
Neighborhood and roof shapes, etc.
Basement floor plan
Ground floor plan
Upper floor plan
Section
Possible 3D renderings
Thanks for all opinions and ideas.
Greetings from Swabia,
Traufgänger
Traufgänger schrieb:
Does anyone see an alternative layout for the garages/carports that we haven’t considered and that could bring a different approach?I don’t quite understand the question. Your house is already positioned as far north as possible. Where else would you create garden space? Or is this about the cars because of the curve?
I personally wouldn’t want to park like that permanently. That’s why I would definitely rotate them and, if necessary, build over a small corner. Just a rough idea – the staircase, hallway, WC, etc. would of course still need refining:
But I only see more garden if you buy the neighboring plot.
Do you also have measurements? Because in your initial planning with the garage, every half meter counts in terms of how much space there is to turn and maneuver.
We have a similar situation ourselves, but with a driveway that is 5 meters (16 feet) wide. Overall, we have 10 meters (33 feet) width in front of the garage door....
No one really needs a garage unless you want to keep company cars with special equipment overnight on the property. A carport or just an open parking space would usually suffice.
However, I also believe that it is NOT allowed to be placed within the protected 5 meters (16 feet).
This applies to boundary development within the designated building zone. The strip of land along the road outside the building zone is, simply put, doubly protected so that sightlines along the street remain clear, and cars can park in front of their garages without blocking the street.
So your planning is on shaky ground, which can be very frustrating if it later turns out that you are not allowed to build there.
In my opinion, the yard is too narrow anyway to comfortably and safely move cars around there.
That will annoy you every day.
Is it really that ugly? Then you could plant shrubs in front of it. It provides a protective wall, and you could even create a small natural habitat, a seating area, or something else there. After all, it’s also a garden.
The garden... the garden is also in the other three directions. It’s not just “behind the house” or “in front of the terrace.” A garden is created by connecting areas with planting, seating areas, or other elements.
Unfortunately, that means the kitchen will be far from the terrace. In everyday life (when the terrace is used due to weather), the connection between kitchen and garden table is more important because the garden table on the terrace replaces the dining table in the dining area. Family members walk that route many times a day—whether they want to or not. Also children: fridge/sandbox.
Everyday and after-work life in a house with nice weather rarely involves sitting on the sofa. A large living room is fine, but more space is actually needed in the everyday living area. Since you probably have other things to do during the day than move around in the living room, some things should be reconsidered.
Also this statement:
I’m always surprised when I read something like this: 8:30 AM great sunshine. Our kitchen also faces east (for different reasons).
However, we don’t benefit from that. While we do get some sun in summer if we leave the house between 5:30 and 7:00 AM, then we are already at work. This means the sunlight shining into the house can only be enjoyed after 4 PM. And as already mentioned, life in summer mainly takes place outdoors and/or in the kitchen. So a west-facing kitchen would be more useful. In the winter, it’s dark after work anyway.
Weekends: sleeping in, breakfast in bed (possibly with children),... the fact remains that you actually spend more time in the kitchen in the evenings than in the mornings. Only TV commercials still show breakfasts, which dominate many people’s ideas.
What would be the alternative? Rotate the house...
Let’s say this: the house has to adapt to the driveway and parking situation on this lot whether you like it or not.
You have to start looking at whether you should change something and accept it. You almost always have two options, and getting stuck in the “actually we wanted...” or “then the garden gets smaller” mindset is restrictive. Try option 2, aiming to ease that restriction. Because you have less quality of life with a 1.5 meter (5 feet) wide lawn if it means you have to cruise back and forth on your driveway for 5 minutes every morning and evening.
Therefore, I would see the garage as boundary development but accessed from the front. That makes you happy.
Then there are 11 meters (36 feet) in front, and 19 meters (62 feet) left to divide the house depth and plot length well.
If you’re worried that “10 meters (33 feet) of garden” isn’t enough because the terrace also takes space, you could plan a corner terrace in the southwest or arrange sightlines diagonally. Diagonal is more than straight.
Either you plan the house as you have it now or you reconsider your daily routine. Do you really have afternoon tea in the living room like in the 1970s, or do you live together more in the kitchen and dining area? Where is daylight needed most and when?
Personally, I would mirror the house: happy in the office Saturday morning and in the kitchen in the afternoon.
Also an advantage with small children: there is enough space in the west for the kids, who can be easily supervised through terrace doors from the kitchen.
I think Katja had implemented it this way.
I like the floor plan overall. The mistakes have already been mentioned (bedroom wall), that’s about it.
However, I would loosen the symmetry a bit, especially on the south side. Keep in mind that the balcony/terrace roof shadow falls to the east but absorbs a lot of light in the middle of the house in winter.
You could swap rooms, i.e., the gallery upstairs if needed. However: you come up the stairs... there is the gallery... nice and bright... beautiful... sunny... invites you to dry laundry there... in advertising, they would rewind time and naturally say: (forget the laundry)... invites you to enjoy a sundowner there.
We have a similar situation ourselves, but with a driveway that is 5 meters (16 feet) wide. Overall, we have 10 meters (33 feet) width in front of the garage door....
Traufgänger schrieb:
Unfortunately, we need a wide garage, at least 6x6 meters (20x20 feet) with 2 parking spaces.
No one really needs a garage unless you want to keep company cars with special equipment overnight on the property. A carport or just an open parking space would usually suffice.
kaho674 schrieb:
Whether it can be so close to the street is, in my opinion, questionable anyway.
However, I also believe that it is NOT allowed to be placed within the protected 5 meters (16 feet).
Traufgänger schrieb:
Garage. According to the state building regulations in Baden-Württemberg, a 9.00 m (30 feet) garage can be built on the boundary up to a wall height of 3.00 m (10 feet).
This applies to boundary development within the designated building zone. The strip of land along the road outside the building zone is, simply put, doubly protected so that sightlines along the street remain clear, and cars can park in front of their garages without blocking the street.
So your planning is on shaky ground, which can be very frustrating if it later turns out that you are not allowed to build there.
In my opinion, the yard is too narrow anyway to comfortably and safely move cars around there.
That will annoy you every day.
Traufgänger schrieb:
Yes, the view is not great. Sure, the neighbor’s garage is there too.
Is it really that ugly? Then you could plant shrubs in front of it. It provides a protective wall, and you could even create a small natural habitat, a seating area, or something else there. After all, it’s also a garden.
Traufgänger schrieb:
Alternatively, we would have to move 1.50 m (5 feet) further south and make the garden smaller.
The garden... the garden is also in the other three directions. It’s not just “behind the house” or “in front of the terrace.” A garden is created by connecting areas with planting, seating areas, or other elements.
Traufgänger schrieb:
We didn’t want the kitchen facing south so that we could have a nice large living room. I prefer the kitchen not to be directly visible from the sofa.
Unfortunately, that means the kitchen will be far from the terrace. In everyday life (when the terrace is used due to weather), the connection between kitchen and garden table is more important because the garden table on the terrace replaces the dining table in the dining area. Family members walk that route many times a day—whether they want to or not. Also children: fridge/sandbox.
Everyday and after-work life in a house with nice weather rarely involves sitting on the sofa. A large living room is fine, but more space is actually needed in the everyday living area. Since you probably have other things to do during the day than move around in the living room, some things should be reconsidered.
Also this statement:
Traufgänger schrieb:
The idea was the dining area in the southeast (morning sun), living corner in the southwest (evening sun).
I want floor-to-ceiling windows in the kitchen. The 3-D simulation with my neighbor’s garage shows that depending on the season, sun can shine directly into the kitchen from about 8:30 AM, letting light in. We could also sacrifice some of our western zone and push the house back 3.50 m (11 feet) or even 4.00 m (13 feet).
I’m always surprised when I read something like this: 8:30 AM great sunshine. Our kitchen also faces east (for different reasons).
However, we don’t benefit from that. While we do get some sun in summer if we leave the house between 5:30 and 7:00 AM, then we are already at work. This means the sunlight shining into the house can only be enjoyed after 4 PM. And as already mentioned, life in summer mainly takes place outdoors and/or in the kitchen. So a west-facing kitchen would be more useful. In the winter, it’s dark after work anyway.
Weekends: sleeping in, breakfast in bed (possibly with children),... the fact remains that you actually spend more time in the kitchen in the evenings than in the mornings. Only TV commercials still show breakfasts, which dominate many people’s ideas.
Traufgänger schrieb:
@kaho674: Kitchen in the west was an idea, but the drawback is that although there is a nice view, no sun comes in, and the living room in the south would have a rotated layout.
Traufgänger schrieb:
but that means losing space in the south.
What would be the alternative? Rotate the house...
Let’s say this: the house has to adapt to the driveway and parking situation on this lot whether you like it or not.
You have to start looking at whether you should change something and accept it. You almost always have two options, and getting stuck in the “actually we wanted...” or “then the garden gets smaller” mindset is restrictive. Try option 2, aiming to ease that restriction. Because you have less quality of life with a 1.5 meter (5 feet) wide lawn if it means you have to cruise back and forth on your driveway for 5 minutes every morning and evening.
Therefore, I would see the garage as boundary development but accessed from the front. That makes you happy.
Then there are 11 meters (36 feet) in front, and 19 meters (62 feet) left to divide the house depth and plot length well.
If you’re worried that “10 meters (33 feet) of garden” isn’t enough because the terrace also takes space, you could plan a corner terrace in the southwest or arrange sightlines diagonally. Diagonal is more than straight.
Either you plan the house as you have it now or you reconsider your daily routine. Do you really have afternoon tea in the living room like in the 1970s, or do you live together more in the kitchen and dining area? Where is daylight needed most and when?
Personally, I would mirror the house: happy in the office Saturday morning and in the kitchen in the afternoon.
Also an advantage with small children: there is enough space in the west for the kids, who can be easily supervised through terrace doors from the kitchen.
I think Katja had implemented it this way.
I like the floor plan overall. The mistakes have already been mentioned (bedroom wall), that’s about it.
However, I would loosen the symmetry a bit, especially on the south side. Keep in mind that the balcony/terrace roof shadow falls to the east but absorbs a lot of light in the middle of the house in winter.
You could swap rooms, i.e., the gallery upstairs if needed. However: you come up the stairs... there is the gallery... nice and bright... beautiful... sunny... invites you to dry laundry there... in advertising, they would rewind time and naturally say: (forget the laundry)... invites you to enjoy a sundowner there.
ypg schrieb:
Nobody really needs a garage unless you plan to bring company cars with police lights onto the property overnight. Otherwise, a carport or just an open parking space will do.Cars aren’t as fragile as some might think, and especially if they have a sibling car, they even don’t mind “camping” in the front yard. But it seems nowadays there are helicopter parents even for cars. ypg schrieb:
The garden... the garden also extends in the other three directions. It’s not just “behind the house” or “in front of the terrace.” A garden is created by connecting areas with planting, seating corners, or other elements.*frames*ypg schrieb:
Only in TV commercials do you see breakfast presented the way it still exists in most minds.The unrealistic expectation that kids would still grab a quick bite on the way to the school bus at low altitude is probably the reason for so many breakfast bars.ypg schrieb:
However, I would break up the symmetry a bit,On my list of needless things, symmetry ranks number one— even ahead of the door between the garage and the house. That stupid door is just redundant, but dogmatic symmetry either demands extra facade width or pushes standard passage widths out of the floor plan somewhere.https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
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Traufgänger19 Jun 2022 17:30Hello everyone, I need to bring this thread up again. Due to the placement of the transformer station on the property, my garage is positioned in a way that dictates a certain layout. We were quite happy about the large room on the south side, but now the question is whether to place the kitchen in the east-south or the west-south area. I’m basically torn between the two options. Maybe someone has a cool idea? 🙂
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Traufgänger19 Jun 2022 21:51kbt09 schrieb:
Great... how about some suitable floor plan examples? Since both versions have something, the other boundary conditions are decisive... terrace, pathways, storage, etc.Hello kbt, thanks for the suggestion. I’ll upload it soon, just need to edit a few things out.
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