ᐅ Insulating plastic fittings/water pipes and underfloor heating under the screed?

Created on: 14 May 2016 17:48
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AndreasW
Hello,

as shown in the two photos, the hot and cold water pipes are insulated. The plumber says the fittings (connectors) do not need to be insulated because they are made of plastic. Is this correct, or could this cause problems regarding thermal insulation, condensation, or noise?

The pipes are located under the screed, meaning there will be polystyrene insulation and a self-leveling screed on top.

The plumber suggests he could wrap fleece over them, but says it is not necessary. What is your opinion?

Best regards, Andreas

Baustellenboden mit Kabelkanälen und Metallrohren auf Sandboden.


Holzfußboden mit installierten Metallrohren, flexiblen Kabelkanälen und Metallclips.
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Holger79
27 May 2016 09:59
@AndreasW
I just noticed the repair done by the installer; he used PU foam to align the pipe.
This might cause the screed to lift, as PU foam expands when it gets wet.
Screed retains some moisture, so this could cause issues during installation.
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Sebastian79
27 May 2016 10:25
Sorry, but what nonsense are you talking about? I'll ask you again: Where exactly should the cold water pipes be installed?

Also, PU foam does not expand when dry if water is added... by the way, there are different types of foam available.
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Legurit
27 May 2016 10:50
DIN 4140 says Bosy.
For heating pipes, I believe it is also 10cm (5 inches) from the water pipes in an installation shaft (always assuming they are 100% insulated).
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Holger79
27 May 2016 11:04
@Sebastian79
There are fastening guidelines, and I must have overlooked the line about the PU foam.
What do you do if the pipe detaches from the PU foam while pouring the screed?
Doesn't the PU foam even deform the surface of the wastewater pipe?
Please never advise users on house building.
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Sebastian79
27 May 2016 11:18
You still owe a response despite repeated requests...

Regarding the PU foam: From the pictures, I see it more as a base layer for the slope rather than as a fixing. As the sole method of attachment, it wouldn’t be acceptable to me either...
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Holger79
27 May 2016 11:24
@Sebastian79
I am not familiar with the house, so I cannot answer your question about the routing of the pipes.
I have to guess whether it is within the wall, ceiling, or the floor below.
There might also be an alternative route.