ᐅ Shocked by the cost estimate during the planning of our dream home
Created on: 30 Sep 2014 22:06
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Hello everyone,
after several attempts, we have finally planned our house (1.5 stories plus basement) with dimensions of 9.5m x 12m (31 ft x 39 ft). The floor plan fully meets our expectations. Now the architect has done some costing and brought us back down to earth 😉.
Although we discussed the cost estimate, I still don’t fully understand it. Especially the items for roofing work at 15,000 EUR, drywall work on the upper floor at 9,000 EUR, and then the heating system (gas heating including chimney plus radiators in the basement and underfloor heating on the ground and upper floors) at 45,000 EUR. Oh, and the shell construction was estimated at 95,000 EUR (all net prices).
The house is planned to be built near Darmstadt. What do you think about the plan and the cost estimation for the trades?
after several attempts, we have finally planned our house (1.5 stories plus basement) with dimensions of 9.5m x 12m (31 ft x 39 ft). The floor plan fully meets our expectations. Now the architect has done some costing and brought us back down to earth 😉.
Although we discussed the cost estimate, I still don’t fully understand it. Especially the items for roofing work at 15,000 EUR, drywall work on the upper floor at 9,000 EUR, and then the heating system (gas heating including chimney plus radiators in the basement and underfloor heating on the ground and upper floors) at 45,000 EUR. Oh, and the shell construction was estimated at 95,000 EUR (all net prices).
The house is planned to be built near Darmstadt. What do you think about the plan and the cost estimation for the trades?
Umbau-Susi2 Oct 2014 19:59We have a "double solution." In the basement, there is a utility room with a washing machine, a dryer, and storage cabinets for household chemicals and similar items.
On the second floor, where the bedrooms are located, there is an additional washing machine in the bathroom. Laundry that takes a long time to wash and then needs to go into the dryer is done downstairs, while everything else is washed upstairs and usually dried on the balcony, as it would be too much effort to go downstairs in the evening. Large items are hung outside on the rotary clothes dryer in the garden when the weather is nice on weekends.
Sylvia
On the second floor, where the bedrooms are located, there is an additional washing machine in the bathroom. Laundry that takes a long time to wash and then needs to go into the dryer is done downstairs, while everything else is washed upstairs and usually dried on the balcony, as it would be too much effort to go downstairs in the evening. Large items are hung outside on the rotary clothes dryer in the garden when the weather is nice on weekends.
Sylvia
Bauexperte schrieb:
I find it a bit odd, for example, to calculate the cost of the scaffolding twice – is the scaffolder supposed to dismantle it after the roof frame is covered, only to install it again later for the exterior plastering?
Regards, BauexperteHello Bauexperte.
We will proceed that way / are currently doing it that way.
Setting up the scaffolding for the work on the roof cost €3600 (including netting / fall protection and double decking on top), and it only has 2 levels (so it is actually not suitable for the plasterer), otherwise it would have been even more expensive. Also, in the quotes we compared, the extended rental cost per week ranged between €170 and €250. If the scaffolding stays up for 3 months or longer beyond the actual work phase, that could amount to up to €1000 per month in lost value.
This scaffolding can be taken down on Monday.
We will start plastering earliest at the end of November (and if the weather doesn’t allow it this year, probably only from March), and the plasterer will bring his own scaffolding then, costing €1450.
That is definitely cheaper than keeping one scaffolding up the whole time.
Our architect estimated two sets of scaffolding from the start. In his experience, that is more cost-effective. If it had been foreseeable that a single scaffolding would be cheaper, we would have done that as well.
It doesn’t have to be a bad thing.
Our scaffolding is set up only once and will be used by the roofer, plumber, plasterer, and window installer. We won’t need it for more than 4 weeks, but that is already the standard duration included in the price.
It costs 6 €/sqm (per square meter) and 0.30 €/sqm x week starting from the 4th week (all net prices).
Height class H1, width class W06
It costs 6 €/sqm (per square meter) and 0.30 €/sqm x week starting from the 4th week (all net prices).
Height class H1, width class W06
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Bauexperte2 Oct 2014 23:58Hello Emer,
I have to admit, I don’t understand it...
In our construction projects, one scaffold remains in place until the exterior plaster or cladding is fully installed. Various trades that cannot easily work without scaffolding (for example, carpenters and roofers) share the costs.
Am I correct in understanding that you, as the homeowner, are paying the entire cost of the scaffolding yourself?
Best regards, Bauexperte
I have to admit, I don’t understand it...
emer schrieb:
Our architect estimated from the beginning with two scaffolds. According to his experience, that is more cost-effective. If it had been foreseeable that it would be different or if one scaffold had been cheaper, we would have done that as well.
In our construction projects, one scaffold remains in place until the exterior plaster or cladding is fully installed. Various trades that cannot easily work without scaffolding (for example, carpenters and roofers) share the costs.
Am I correct in understanding that you, as the homeowner, are paying the entire cost of the scaffolding yourself?
Best regards, Bauexperte
Indirectly, certainly. However, I have never awarded contracts without renegotiations and never will. In those cases, there are different strategies than just saying, "You can use the scaffolding for $300."
I don’t want to take advantage of anyone (don’t get me wrong); they still need to do a proper job. 🙂
So far, even though I have had to cover the costs for scaffolding myself, all of our special requests—which we mentioned but did not include in the budget—have been fulfilled without any budget overruns. And those requests were not always minor.
I don’t want to take advantage of anyone (don’t get me wrong); they still need to do a proper job. 🙂
So far, even though I have had to cover the costs for scaffolding myself, all of our special requests—which we mentioned but did not include in the budget—have been fulfilled without any budget overruns. And those requests were not always minor.
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Bauexperte3 Oct 2014 11:47Hello Emer,
It doesn’t really matter what “name the child is given” 😉
However, for the sake of transparency, you should deduct the respective “savings” from the scaffolding costs, otherwise it creates a misleading impression for potential homeowners reading here.
Regards, Bauexperte
emer schrieb:
So far, despite having to cover the costs for scaffolding ourselves, all our special requests—which we discussed but did not include in the budget—have been fulfilled without exceeding the planned budget. And these requests were not always minor.
It doesn’t really matter what “name the child is given” 😉
However, for the sake of transparency, you should deduct the respective “savings” from the scaffolding costs, otherwise it creates a misleading impression for potential homeowners reading here.
Regards, Bauexperte
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