Hello,
could you please help me with the placement and selection of recessed ceiling downlights?
I get the impression that some users here have a lot of knowledge. This is a bit overwhelming for me.
It concerns recessed downlights in the precast concrete ceiling, whose positions I need to determine before the ceiling is installed. The holes cost 130 Euro each without the fixtures. I find that quite expensive and therefore don’t want to go overboard with spotlights in the house.
I would like to have recessed lights only in the ground floor hallway and cloakroom. I want good illumination and don’t want to plan too many or too few. I want to be on the safe side!
I deliberately don’t call them spots, because I don’t want directional lighting. As I have learned from posts here, I want a wider beam angle and therefore floodlights. Which manufacturers are good for this? I was thinking dimmable, as I do not plan any other lighting in the hallway besides the recessed downlights.
How would you position the lights, and how many do I need?
The hallway is 5.47 m (18 feet) long from the front door to the living room wall. The dimension from the utility room wall to the end of the cloakroom / WC wall is 4.31 m (14 feet). The wardrobe cabinets probably go up to the ceiling, which changes the center of the room. I read that when planning lighting, the room center is not defined wall to wall but from the cabinet front to the opposite wall.
Thank you very much in advance!!!
Attached is an idea of mine. Does this work like this?
could you please help me with the placement and selection of recessed ceiling downlights?
I get the impression that some users here have a lot of knowledge. This is a bit overwhelming for me.
It concerns recessed downlights in the precast concrete ceiling, whose positions I need to determine before the ceiling is installed. The holes cost 130 Euro each without the fixtures. I find that quite expensive and therefore don’t want to go overboard with spotlights in the house.
I would like to have recessed lights only in the ground floor hallway and cloakroom. I want good illumination and don’t want to plan too many or too few. I want to be on the safe side!
I deliberately don’t call them spots, because I don’t want directional lighting. As I have learned from posts here, I want a wider beam angle and therefore floodlights. Which manufacturers are good for this? I was thinking dimmable, as I do not plan any other lighting in the hallway besides the recessed downlights.
How would you position the lights, and how many do I need?
The hallway is 5.47 m (18 feet) long from the front door to the living room wall. The dimension from the utility room wall to the end of the cloakroom / WC wall is 4.31 m (14 feet). The wardrobe cabinets probably go up to the ceiling, which changes the center of the room. I read that when planning lighting, the room center is not defined wall to wall but from the cabinet front to the opposite wall.
Thank you very much in advance!!!
Attached is an idea of mine. Does this work like this?
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hampshire5 Oct 2020 17:57Tolentino schrieb:
Which manufacturers of tunable white LED panels offer the full range? Or how can you identify this when researching on your own? An indication that the fixtures support this is the adjustable color temperature range (e.g., from 2700 to 5000K)—and the light intensity (dimmability with maximum value given in lux, lumens as a light output reference is also acceptable for flat panels). What you still won’t know is whether you like the quality of the light, how accurate the color rendering is, and whether you experience PWM flicker at dimmed settings.
Costs tend to rise significantly when tunable white capability and a high color rendering index are combined.
Shiny86 schrieb:
Do you think I can manage with only 3 ceiling outlets in the hallway plus wardrobe?
@ypg You mentioned that. Where would you place the outlets?That really depends on what exactly you want there. I’m a bit confused by the other suggestions, whether they actually fit your needs.
As I said before: I prefer a cozy ambient light in the corner of the hallway that welcomes me in autumn and winter, and I rarely turn on the ceiling light. For that, I want a simple and affordable design that lights up my 2 x 2 meter (6.5 x 6.5 feet) area in front of the mirror. Honestly, I don’t mind if it isn’t perfectly flush with the ceiling on one side by 1 mm (Philips )
If you want to light the hallway like a dentist’s office, then the others’ advice is probably right. Taste and need are personal things, after all. I like surface-mounted fixtures, but only on the wall, not on the ceiling, because I don’t see the point in illuminating half a square meter (or more) above me — even if the fixtures are dimmable. Color-changing lights were very popular when I built in 2013. I wanted them too but never got them... luckily, or else my décor would sometimes be lit pink, sometimes green.
And I don’t need daylight-level lighting for the few minutes that the ceiling light is on: either my wardrobe is right from the start, or it isn’t.
If it were my hallway: I would place one light source in the middle of the imagined "square" on the right to provide good lighting, and a second source (possibly with two fixtures) that can be switched independently in the center of the main hallway (the dashed line is not the middle, and since I made this mistake before in the bathroom by orienting after the door, I recommend using the room’s midpoint!)
Looking at the cross mark, I realize that the unconsidered sightline from the staircase to the door and from the kitchen door to the stairs would bother me a lot. The red dot shows the hallway corner you look at and therefore emphasizes. So I would position the kitchen door facing the stairs — I think then it would even be visually centered on the hallway wall, which fits well here. But the main issue for me would be the sightline.
Moving on to lighting: there will be light in the storage room, which I would control with a motion sensor (we don’t have that yet, but I find it annoying).
Opposite the storage room door, you could put a chest of drawers (for keys, sunglasses, etc.); I would add a nice table lamp on it that turns on with a timer switch (power outlet!) during the darker months.
Thanks @ypg for the post. I’ve taken a lot from it for myself.
The sightline also bothers me a bit. But it’s not something I overlooked. It’s due to the wardrobe and the kitchen layout. When you enter through the kitchen door, you’re supposed to go directly into the aisle between the kitchen units. Running into the side of a kitchen cabinet would be even less practical. This type of kitchen layout has to be the way it is for me. And the door into the kitchen from the hall has to be there for my husband.
The sightline also bothers me a bit. But it’s not something I overlooked. It’s due to the wardrobe and the kitchen layout. When you enter through the kitchen door, you’re supposed to go directly into the aisle between the kitchen units. Running into the side of a kitchen cabinet would be even less practical. This type of kitchen layout has to be the way it is for me. And the door into the kitchen from the hall has to be there for my husband.
Grobmutant schrieb:
Where is the transformer hidden in the flat LED panels? Are they slim enough by now to fit between the ceiling and the panel, or do you need a suspended ceiling to house the transformer?The LED panels Velora from Paulmann don’t have an external driver anywhere, right?
Mycraft schrieb:
The drivers are external. Either you have space in the ceiling provided by junction boxes, or a suspended ceiling, or the drivers are in the utility room. There are many options.Don’t you think the driver circled in red could also fit above the panel (Paulmann Velora) right on the ceiling itself?
Do you really have to install a box in the concrete ceiling for that?
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