Hello everyone,
In about three weeks, we are supposed to finalize our electrical planning on site. Unfortunately, our electrician is somewhat old-fashioned, which makes it difficult for me to collaboratively plan a future-proof electrical setup with him. Therefore, I am currently educating myself to ensure that the networking in our single-family home is fundamentally future-proof.
Basically, it’s about the LAN network... LAN wall outlets are relatively expensive, so proper planning is even more important.
About us:
- Mid to late 20s – couple without children. Planning for 2 children in the near future.
- Single-family house with a usable basement, 2 full floors, and fully equipped with concrete ceilings
- Utility room in the basement with air-to-water heat pump, ventilation system, photovoltaic system
- The router is planned to be located in the office on the ground floor
- The upper floor includes bathroom / bedroom / 2 children’s rooms
- No satellite dish or cable TV — we will use Internet TV exclusively!
Now, I am struggling to network our single-family home sensibly but as cost-effectively as possible.
I have the following questions:
1. Slightly off-topic: In the living room, I would like to have an in-wall conduit installed on the TV wall (the TV will be wall-mounted) so that no cables are visible. Is this sensible and affordable? I will get exact prices from my electrician if this makes sense at all. Would it also make sense to install power outlets at TV height? How do you plan the connections on your media wall reasonably? What should be considered?
Since we plan to use a Magenta TV box and thus IP-TV, a total of four LAN ports in the living room area would presumably be useful, right?
2. How many LAN outlets and especially where should LAN outlets be installed? Mainly: which cable? Is CAT6 sufficient?
→ Such a double LAN outlet certainly costs close to €200, so planning must be really sensible.
Is it really necessary to install 2 double LAN outlets in each children’s room? I always wonder: what is actually going to be plugged in there?
One port for the TV and one port for a multimedia device should be enough, right? So four connections would probably be overkill, correct?
The fact is: It will certainly take years or decades before our children actually use these outlets... Who knows what changes might happen by then? Therefore, could we not cost-effectively use empty conduits (empty pipes) instead?
Is it also possible to “branch off” from an existing double outlet afterward to add more ports for the room? What should be considered here? Or should we consider having an empty conduit prepared in another spot in the room so that a socket can be installed later?
3. How do you solve the “router problem”? Should the one router be placed in the office (ground floor) with LAN outlets in the existing bedrooms upstairs to ensure a stable LAN connection? Or is a router upstairs absolutely necessary?
4. How important are LAN outlets in the utility room? Should the router possibly even be located in the utility room? Because of the concrete ceiling between basement and ground floor, a second router would almost certainly be needed. How should this situation be handled with a basement?
5. What do you think about installing empty conduits for CAT cables in the kitchen / hallway etc. to enable later retrofitting? Is this relatively affordable in new builds?
I would appreciate any feedback so we can make the best possible plans 🙂
In about three weeks, we are supposed to finalize our electrical planning on site. Unfortunately, our electrician is somewhat old-fashioned, which makes it difficult for me to collaboratively plan a future-proof electrical setup with him. Therefore, I am currently educating myself to ensure that the networking in our single-family home is fundamentally future-proof.
Basically, it’s about the LAN network... LAN wall outlets are relatively expensive, so proper planning is even more important.
About us:
- Mid to late 20s – couple without children. Planning for 2 children in the near future.
- Single-family house with a usable basement, 2 full floors, and fully equipped with concrete ceilings
- Utility room in the basement with air-to-water heat pump, ventilation system, photovoltaic system
- The router is planned to be located in the office on the ground floor
- The upper floor includes bathroom / bedroom / 2 children’s rooms
- No satellite dish or cable TV — we will use Internet TV exclusively!
Now, I am struggling to network our single-family home sensibly but as cost-effectively as possible.
I have the following questions:
1. Slightly off-topic: In the living room, I would like to have an in-wall conduit installed on the TV wall (the TV will be wall-mounted) so that no cables are visible. Is this sensible and affordable? I will get exact prices from my electrician if this makes sense at all. Would it also make sense to install power outlets at TV height? How do you plan the connections on your media wall reasonably? What should be considered?
Since we plan to use a Magenta TV box and thus IP-TV, a total of four LAN ports in the living room area would presumably be useful, right?
2. How many LAN outlets and especially where should LAN outlets be installed? Mainly: which cable? Is CAT6 sufficient?
→ Such a double LAN outlet certainly costs close to €200, so planning must be really sensible.
Is it really necessary to install 2 double LAN outlets in each children’s room? I always wonder: what is actually going to be plugged in there?
One port for the TV and one port for a multimedia device should be enough, right? So four connections would probably be overkill, correct?
The fact is: It will certainly take years or decades before our children actually use these outlets... Who knows what changes might happen by then? Therefore, could we not cost-effectively use empty conduits (empty pipes) instead?
Is it also possible to “branch off” from an existing double outlet afterward to add more ports for the room? What should be considered here? Or should we consider having an empty conduit prepared in another spot in the room so that a socket can be installed later?
3. How do you solve the “router problem”? Should the one router be placed in the office (ground floor) with LAN outlets in the existing bedrooms upstairs to ensure a stable LAN connection? Or is a router upstairs absolutely necessary?
4. How important are LAN outlets in the utility room? Should the router possibly even be located in the utility room? Because of the concrete ceiling between basement and ground floor, a second router would almost certainly be needed. How should this situation be handled with a basement?
5. What do you think about installing empty conduits for CAT cables in the kitchen / hallway etc. to enable later retrofitting? Is this relatively affordable in new builds?
I would appreciate any feedback so we can make the best possible plans 🙂
To make it productive from the start: I would have the highest available cable category installed in conduits. Then add a quality keystone patch panel, and you’ll be well set for many years. By the time there is an actual need for more than 10 GbE in a private home, the connector technology will likely have evolved. Since you are using modular keystones, you can simply swap them out. Also, keep in mind that the wall outlets in the rooms should either have keystone jacks or at least space and spare cable to allow for changes later on.
If you already know that, as a graphic designer or video producer, you will need to move and store really large amounts of data, you might consider fiber optic cables (LWL) at critical points like the workstation area and data storage locations.
If you already know that, as a graphic designer or video producer, you will need to move and store really large amounts of data, you might consider fiber optic cables (LWL) at critical points like the workstation area and data storage locations.
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fromthisplace12 Jun 2022 21:02Could someone please help me out with my surprise that the Fritz!Box really hangs on just a thin cable?
I’m already a bit uncomfortable having to reveal this anonymously to you all here—I’d like to avoid having to do the same in person with the electrician tomorrow. 😀
I’m already a bit uncomfortable having to reveal this anonymously to you all here—I’d like to avoid having to do the same in person with the electrician tomorrow. 😀
fromthisplace schrieb:
Do I understand correctly that the incoming cable from the main house connection runs to the TAE socket in the network cabinet? Does the Fritz!Box require any connections besides power, or is it fully connected then? Our appointment for the telecom provider’s house installation is not until November. Would it make sense to coordinate with the electrician to install a TAE socket in the network cabinet (like you have) and route the cable there, so the telecom technician can connect it later? Is this realistic in practice?
The Fritzbox comes with an adapter cable, TAE to RJ45. This can either be connected directly to the WAN/DSL port of the box or extended on the RJ45 side using a standard network cable within the house, in case the Fritzbox is not located near the TAE socket. However, this must not be done through a switch, only via the cables themselves!
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fromthisplace12 Jun 2022 22:05Thank you! That part is clear to me, but I’m not sure which cable from the network cabinet, where the FritzBox is located, needs to go to the main distribution point / building connection unit.
I told you... just a standard network cable like in the rest of the house. At the end, either an RJ45 coupler or, if you want it really neat, a small patch panel. Then connect the thin DSL cord to it.
If there are other devices at that location, such as a heat pump, inverter, etc., you can also plan for additional cables accordingly.
If there are other devices at that location, such as a heat pump, inverter, etc., you can also plan for additional cables accordingly.
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fromthisplace12 Jun 2022 22:24Thank you. So completely without a TAE connection? Then it must be a network cable with an RJ45 connector at both ends, not keystone jacks, right?
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