Hello,
We have now reached the stage in the detailed planning where only the positioning of the ceiling spotlights needs to be finalized. Halox ceiling junction boxes 180 will be installed in the precast concrete ceilings. We are a bit uncertain about the kitchen lighting.
We are planning a 4m (13 feet) kitchen run that includes a niche 1.80m (5 feet 11 inches) wide with wall cabinets. LED spotlights are planned for the underside of the wall cabinets, which should provide sufficient lighting for the work surface. In front of the kitchen run, there is a kitchen island positioned 1.20m (4 feet) away, measuring 3.00m (10 feet) wide and approximately 1.20m (4 feet) deep.
Our idea now is to install 8 spotlights above the kitchen island (two rows of four spots, spaced 60cm (24 inches) apart). For better visualization, I have attached a picture. In your opinion, is this sufficient for the overall kitchen lighting, or should additional spotlights be planned, especially in the walkway between the kitchen run and the island?
Since the cost per spotlight—including drilling, materials, and installation—is about €250 each (installation of the junction boxes alone is around €120 gross), we naturally want to keep the number to a minimum. We are completely open regarding the choice of recessed spotlights (beam angle, etc.)...
We have now reached the stage in the detailed planning where only the positioning of the ceiling spotlights needs to be finalized. Halox ceiling junction boxes 180 will be installed in the precast concrete ceilings. We are a bit uncertain about the kitchen lighting.
We are planning a 4m (13 feet) kitchen run that includes a niche 1.80m (5 feet 11 inches) wide with wall cabinets. LED spotlights are planned for the underside of the wall cabinets, which should provide sufficient lighting for the work surface. In front of the kitchen run, there is a kitchen island positioned 1.20m (4 feet) away, measuring 3.00m (10 feet) wide and approximately 1.20m (4 feet) deep.
Our idea now is to install 8 spotlights above the kitchen island (two rows of four spots, spaced 60cm (24 inches) apart). For better visualization, I have attached a picture. In your opinion, is this sufficient for the overall kitchen lighting, or should additional spotlights be planned, especially in the walkway between the kitchen run and the island?
Since the cost per spotlight—including drilling, materials, and installation—is about €250 each (installation of the junction boxes alone is around €120 gross), we naturally want to keep the number to a minimum. We are completely open regarding the choice of recessed spotlights (beam angle, etc.)...
Thank you for the feedback. I have attached another 3D image of the kitchen, with the difference that on the right side there are floor-to-ceiling windows, and behind the line of sight there is also a full wall with floor-to-ceiling windows.
The preference is leaning towards two rows of four units each: one above the island and one row over the walkway between the island and the main kitchen run. We would not directly illuminate the walkways by the windows. To the left, the space transitions into the dining area.
We do not like pendant lights above the island. We specifically chose a downdraft extractor to avoid having anything overhead. In that case, it would make no sense to install a light above it instead.
@Martial.white @driver55
LED panels definitely offer potential energy savings, but I haven’t found them very appealing for kitchen areas so far. Do you have any pictures of such installations?
The preference is leaning towards two rows of four units each: one above the island and one row over the walkway between the island and the main kitchen run. We would not directly illuminate the walkways by the windows. To the left, the space transitions into the dining area.
We do not like pendant lights above the island. We specifically chose a downdraft extractor to avoid having anything overhead. In that case, it would make no sense to install a light above it instead.
@Martial.white @driver55
LED panels definitely offer potential energy savings, but I haven’t found them very appealing for kitchen areas so far. Do you have any pictures of such installations?
Our neighbors have the same setup, and five units are completely sufficient. Three are placed at the back in the hallway and one on each side, left and right. The bulbs used were simply inexpensive ones bought from Amazon. If you’re unsure, you can always just order five different ones and try them out.
By the way, €250 per junction box is simply outrageous. They’re charging you like it’s Christmas dinner...
The box itself costs €6. The cable for all the boxes together, up to the switch, is less than €10. Drilling, marking, and installation for five boxes doesn’t take longer than half an hour. If the electrician is smart, he has to come to the site anyway when the ceiling is delivered. So, in principle, no extra trip would even be necessary. Then the ceiling contractor earns a few extra euros, and the bulb is simply missing.
There’s a profit of well over €100 in that. No idea how anyone can justify such exorbitant prices.
I would say the whole thing almost becomes cheaper if you commission it afterwards, even though the work becomes much more difficult (drilling through reinforced concrete, etc.).
By the way, €250 per junction box is simply outrageous. They’re charging you like it’s Christmas dinner...
The box itself costs €6. The cable for all the boxes together, up to the switch, is less than €10. Drilling, marking, and installation for five boxes doesn’t take longer than half an hour. If the electrician is smart, he has to come to the site anyway when the ceiling is delivered. So, in principle, no extra trip would even be necessary. Then the ceiling contractor earns a few extra euros, and the bulb is simply missing.
There’s a profit of well over €100 in that. No idea how anyone can justify such exorbitant prices.
I would say the whole thing almost becomes cheaper if you commission it afterwards, even though the work becomes much more difficult (drilling through reinforced concrete, etc.).
Mmh... it always depends on how “bright” you prefer it.
How would you distribute the lighting between the ceiling and the island?
There are not only pendant lights but also surface-mounted lights, among others. Of course, it’s a matter of personal taste.
I personally like having different light sources.
If you’re sticking with recessed lights, I’d consider distributing them more evenly. Or at least make sure they don’t have narrow beam angles. It can get quite dark when you’re looking for something inside the front cabinets of the island if all the light sources are positioned mostly “behind” it. (This naturally depends a lot on the type of recessed lights used).
How would you distribute the lighting between the ceiling and the island?
There are not only pendant lights but also surface-mounted lights, among others. Of course, it’s a matter of personal taste.
I personally like having different light sources.
If you’re sticking with recessed lights, I’d consider distributing them more evenly. Or at least make sure they don’t have narrow beam angles. It can get quite dark when you’re looking for something inside the front cabinets of the island if all the light sources are positioned mostly “behind” it. (This naturally depends a lot on the type of recessed lights used).
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Myrna_Loy7 Jun 2021 14:24laumar01 schrieb:
Thank you for the feedback. I’ve attached another 3D image of the kitchen. The difference is that the windows on the right are floor-to-ceiling, and directly behind the viewing direction there is also a full wall of floor-to-ceiling windows.
The plan tends to favor two rows of four lights each: one above the kitchen island and one above the walkway between the island and the cabinet run. We wouldn’t directly illuminate the walkways by the windows. To the left, the space opens up into the dining area.
We don’t like pendant lights above the island. We specifically chose a downdraft extractor so there would be nothing above the island. It wouldn’t make sense then to install a light fixture there instead.
@Martial.white @driver55
LED panels definitely offer savings potential, but I haven’t found them very attractive for kitchens so far. Do you have any pictures of those? Why not in front of the windows? I don’t understand your plan. Why are there spotlights above the wall cabinets over the sink? To highlight a vase collection?
Myrna_Loy schrieb:
Why not in front of the windows? I don’t understand your design. Why are there spotlights above the upper cabinets over the sink? To light a vase collection? The area in front of the windows is not a walkway. So, the room’s general lighting is sufficient there. The upper cabinets are less deep than the tall cabinets, as shown in the 3D view. These optional spotlights could serve as accent lighting to highlight the niche and also increase the overall illumination. However, they can probably be omitted most easily.
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