ᐅ Planning the Location of the House and Garage Within the Building Envelope *Preliminary Planning*
Created on: 9 Aug 2016 10:52
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Häuslebau3r
Hello everyone,
I have been following the forum for quite some time now and am gradually approaching the “house building” project step by step, trying to learn as much as possible in advance.
Thanks to the many experts here, this has truly been an enjoyable experience in the way the community contributes. (end of flattery mode) 🙂
As I already mentioned in my first major thread, we are currently working on preliminary planning and considering the house design and its orientation on the plot, even before our first meetings with potential builders.
Taking several factors into account regarding the plot, such as price and an undeveloped east-facing location (sloping gently down to the east), we found a micro-location that we really like. We weren’t able to get our ideal size, but with 770m² (8300 sq ft), I think it’s more than sufficient. The main advantage for us is that the land can be fully paid for from our own funds, so until construction starts in early 2018, we will continue saving equity and paying off any remaining debts.
Source: Excerpts from the development plan / self-created images
A building permit inquiry (building permit / planning permission) has already been submitted regarding the desired architectural style, and I have received approval to expand the building envelope up to 8 meters (26 feet) along the eastern boundary.
At the moment, we are leaning toward a rather classic city villa style (2 full floors with a hipped roof at 25° and a double garage).
Source: Weberhaus
Based on the budget we have personally set, we are initially planning without a basement. If it turns out to be feasible later on, we can still include it.
We have already visited model homes that appealed to us in terms of external design and even traveled from Bavaria to the Rhineland, and from there to Wuppertal for inspiration.
Right now, before the first planning meetings, we want to focus on finding the best possible orientation for the house and garage on the property, for example:
Source: Excerpts from the development plan
For me, one thing is already decided: the staircase, which I want to have exactly like this due to the fantastic light conditions. It captivated me at first sight.
Source: Weberhaus
Furthermore, we want to keep as much space as possible on the west and south sides to create what I consider an ideal sunny aspect and garden atmosphere.
This is also the tricky part, as the arrangement between house and garage is causing us some headaches.
Many questions arise, such as whether the garage should be placed in front of the house to free up more space on the south side, or rather beside the house (which would include a covered entrance area). A passage from the garage directly into the house is also under consideration. Or should the main entrance be on the west side instead, which might mean it would be uncovered?
Source for covered entrance: Weberhaus
I will post further key data throughout the thread as needed, in case I have forgotten anything important.
However, these points above need to be clarified first before we can continue planning the positioning of the dining, living, and kitchen areas, etc. (Of course, with a preference for south/west orientation).
I would appreciate any information and lively discussions.
Best regards, Andreas, and thank you in advance!
I have been following the forum for quite some time now and am gradually approaching the “house building” project step by step, trying to learn as much as possible in advance.
Thanks to the many experts here, this has truly been an enjoyable experience in the way the community contributes. (end of flattery mode) 🙂
As I already mentioned in my first major thread, we are currently working on preliminary planning and considering the house design and its orientation on the plot, even before our first meetings with potential builders.
Taking several factors into account regarding the plot, such as price and an undeveloped east-facing location (sloping gently down to the east), we found a micro-location that we really like. We weren’t able to get our ideal size, but with 770m² (8300 sq ft), I think it’s more than sufficient. The main advantage for us is that the land can be fully paid for from our own funds, so until construction starts in early 2018, we will continue saving equity and paying off any remaining debts.
Source: Excerpts from the development plan / self-created images
A building permit inquiry (building permit / planning permission) has already been submitted regarding the desired architectural style, and I have received approval to expand the building envelope up to 8 meters (26 feet) along the eastern boundary.
At the moment, we are leaning toward a rather classic city villa style (2 full floors with a hipped roof at 25° and a double garage).
Source: Weberhaus
Based on the budget we have personally set, we are initially planning without a basement. If it turns out to be feasible later on, we can still include it.
We have already visited model homes that appealed to us in terms of external design and even traveled from Bavaria to the Rhineland, and from there to Wuppertal for inspiration.
Right now, before the first planning meetings, we want to focus on finding the best possible orientation for the house and garage on the property, for example:
Source: Excerpts from the development plan
For me, one thing is already decided: the staircase, which I want to have exactly like this due to the fantastic light conditions. It captivated me at first sight.
Source: Weberhaus
Furthermore, we want to keep as much space as possible on the west and south sides to create what I consider an ideal sunny aspect and garden atmosphere.
This is also the tricky part, as the arrangement between house and garage is causing us some headaches.
Many questions arise, such as whether the garage should be placed in front of the house to free up more space on the south side, or rather beside the house (which would include a covered entrance area). A passage from the garage directly into the house is also under consideration. Or should the main entrance be on the west side instead, which might mean it would be uncovered?
Source for covered entrance: Weberhaus
I will post further key data throughout the thread as needed, in case I have forgotten anything important.
However, these points above need to be clarified first before we can continue planning the positioning of the dining, living, and kitchen areas, etc. (Of course, with a preference for south/west orientation).
I would appreciate any information and lively discussions.
Best regards, Andreas, and thank you in advance!
Häuslebau3r6 Oct 2016 20:13Häuslebau3r6 Oct 2016 20:24P.S. I canceled a planned meeting with the architect after I found out that the discussion would only cover the next steps and costs. It was basically a “no money, no progress” situation.
Well, some measurements would be helpful. Upper floor = full story... otherwise, the shower and master bedroom won’t fit. The staircase might be a bit too short for a half-landing staircase. But without dimensions, it’s hard to tell.
The upper floor has a kind of awkward slanted wall between the children’s rooms, and it also raises the question of why the exterior wall has that angle at all?
The upper floor has a kind of awkward slanted wall between the children’s rooms, and it also raises the question of why the exterior wall has that angle at all?
Häuslebau3r7 Oct 2016 08:11kbt09 schrieb:
Well, some dimensions would be helpful. Upper floor = full story ... otherwise the shower and master bedroom won’t work. The staircase might be a bit too short for a half-landing staircase. But, without measurements, no chance.
Upper floor ... there’s this awkward slanted wall between the kids’ rooms, and it also makes you wonder why the angle in the exterior wall at all?Good morning kbt09,
The measurements are manually marked in images 3 and 4, since the freeware doesn’t allow digital annotation.
Here again:
P.S. The hallway on the upper floor is 6.6 m² (71 sq ft), not 7.7 m² (83 sq ft)
But as you already correctly observed, this is a house design inspired by a townhouse with two full stories. The staircase was drawn to scale based on your staircase suggestions, measuring 2.25 m by 3.05 m (7 ft 5 in by 10 ft), but there is also the option with 2.40 m by 3.35 m (7 ft 10 in by 11 ft) and a different incline. I haven’t forgotten that, of course.
The awkward slanted wall between the children’s rooms is obviously a matter of taste. It was meant to add some variation, but of course, I understand that it limits furniture placement. This feedback has also been passed on to the planners. Ultimately, the children’s rooms are quite large anyway—about 16–18 m² (172–194 sq ft) each, as I see it—and some square meters could be allocated to the guest room instead. But I still lacked the final idea there, which now the planner might have.
The angle or offset of the exterior wall is mainly for aesthetic reasons. My wife and I didn’t want the typical cubic style with an almost square house. In this respect, I think it livens the overall impression a bit and also benefits the living room layout. For the roof, this offset could possibly be disregarded, as the planner from the construction company 2 suggested, pulling the roof out at the eaves. But I also think the hipped roof looks quite good with this shape as it is.
Important: This is still the roof from the old design without the technical room, etc. It was only meant to show the roof shape.
What are your expectations for the pantry?
Here’s how I see it:
To access the pantry, you leave out 1.9m (6 feet 3 inches) in the upper kitchen cabinet row on the top side of the plan. Assuming you create a connection to the right side row with a blind corner cabinet, you lose about 1.3 linear meters (4 feet 3 inches) of kitchen cabinets, so that much storage space is sacrificed.
Looking at the pantry itself, you can really only place cabinets and shelves along the right-hand wall. There is no space behind the door, nor on the top wall because of the window. With a floor area of 4.5m² (48 square feet) and a width of 1.9m (6 feet 3 inches), this leaves about 2.35 linear meters (7 feet 9 inches) of usable shelving or storage space along the right wall.
So, to gain one linear meter (3 feet 3 inches) of extra storage space, you sacrifice 4.5m² (48 square feet) plus the pantry access area of about 0.8m² (8.6 square feet) (1.3m (4 feet 3 inches) * 0.6m (2 feet)) in cabinet depth.
At a cost of 2000€/m², that amounts to more than €10,000.
Put another way, that additional 1 meter (3 feet 3 inches) of storage space costs about €10,000. Probably the most expensive 100 cm (39 inches) of storage you’ll ever have.
I do understand the purpose of a pantry. However, in modern houses this tends to become obsolete because temperatures are generally consistent throughout the home. I would rather assign this space to the utility room, where cleaning supplies can be stored. You don’t necessarily need direct kitchen access for those. This would make the utility room much more functional—perhaps consider adding direct access to the garden, which is convenient in summer for hanging laundry.
I would store food supplies in the gained kitchen space instead.
Will the living room really be furnished like this? I don’t like the sofa placed in front of the sliding door. If this layout is kept, I would move the sofa to the right side of the plan; this would also better align the exterior view with the window in the second children’s room.
Here’s how I see it:
To access the pantry, you leave out 1.9m (6 feet 3 inches) in the upper kitchen cabinet row on the top side of the plan. Assuming you create a connection to the right side row with a blind corner cabinet, you lose about 1.3 linear meters (4 feet 3 inches) of kitchen cabinets, so that much storage space is sacrificed.
Looking at the pantry itself, you can really only place cabinets and shelves along the right-hand wall. There is no space behind the door, nor on the top wall because of the window. With a floor area of 4.5m² (48 square feet) and a width of 1.9m (6 feet 3 inches), this leaves about 2.35 linear meters (7 feet 9 inches) of usable shelving or storage space along the right wall.
So, to gain one linear meter (3 feet 3 inches) of extra storage space, you sacrifice 4.5m² (48 square feet) plus the pantry access area of about 0.8m² (8.6 square feet) (1.3m (4 feet 3 inches) * 0.6m (2 feet)) in cabinet depth.
At a cost of 2000€/m², that amounts to more than €10,000.
Put another way, that additional 1 meter (3 feet 3 inches) of storage space costs about €10,000. Probably the most expensive 100 cm (39 inches) of storage you’ll ever have.
I do understand the purpose of a pantry. However, in modern houses this tends to become obsolete because temperatures are generally consistent throughout the home. I would rather assign this space to the utility room, where cleaning supplies can be stored. You don’t necessarily need direct kitchen access for those. This would make the utility room much more functional—perhaps consider adding direct access to the garden, which is convenient in summer for hanging laundry.
I would store food supplies in the gained kitchen space instead.
Will the living room really be furnished like this? I don’t like the sofa placed in front of the sliding door. If this layout is kept, I would move the sofa to the right side of the plan; this would also better align the exterior view with the window in the second children’s room.
I also support combining the pantry and utility room: a short distance from the entrance and kitchen to the utility room, which can be divided into zones, with storage in the front and laundry in the back. A door to the technical room is unnecessary; it would be better to have a direct exit from the utility room.
-> This allows for better kitchen furnishing.
The slanted wall upstairs is questionable. As someone who appreciates openness, I would advise you to reread your thread with the photos from the beginning and then ask yourself whether the latest plan includes everything you want, especially if sliding doors are added between the dining and living areas.
Best regards
-> This allows for better kitchen furnishing.
The slanted wall upstairs is questionable. As someone who appreciates openness, I would advise you to reread your thread with the photos from the beginning and then ask yourself whether the latest plan includes everything you want, especially if sliding doors are added between the dining and living areas.
Best regards
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