ᐅ Planning the Location of the House and Garage Within the Building Envelope *Preliminary Planning*
Created on: 9 Aug 2016 10:52
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Häuslebau3r
Hello everyone,
I have been following the forum for quite some time now and am gradually approaching the “house building” project step by step, trying to learn as much as possible in advance.
Thanks to the many experts here, this has truly been an enjoyable experience in the way the community contributes. (end of flattery mode) 🙂
As I already mentioned in my first major thread, we are currently working on preliminary planning and considering the house design and its orientation on the plot, even before our first meetings with potential builders.
Taking several factors into account regarding the plot, such as price and an undeveloped east-facing location (sloping gently down to the east), we found a micro-location that we really like. We weren’t able to get our ideal size, but with 770m² (8300 sq ft), I think it’s more than sufficient. The main advantage for us is that the land can be fully paid for from our own funds, so until construction starts in early 2018, we will continue saving equity and paying off any remaining debts.
Source: Excerpts from the development plan / self-created images
A building permit inquiry (building permit / planning permission) has already been submitted regarding the desired architectural style, and I have received approval to expand the building envelope up to 8 meters (26 feet) along the eastern boundary.
At the moment, we are leaning toward a rather classic city villa style (2 full floors with a hipped roof at 25° and a double garage).
Source: Weberhaus
Based on the budget we have personally set, we are initially planning without a basement. If it turns out to be feasible later on, we can still include it.
We have already visited model homes that appealed to us in terms of external design and even traveled from Bavaria to the Rhineland, and from there to Wuppertal for inspiration.
Right now, before the first planning meetings, we want to focus on finding the best possible orientation for the house and garage on the property, for example:
Source: Excerpts from the development plan
For me, one thing is already decided: the staircase, which I want to have exactly like this due to the fantastic light conditions. It captivated me at first sight.
Source: Weberhaus
Furthermore, we want to keep as much space as possible on the west and south sides to create what I consider an ideal sunny aspect and garden atmosphere.
This is also the tricky part, as the arrangement between house and garage is causing us some headaches.
Many questions arise, such as whether the garage should be placed in front of the house to free up more space on the south side, or rather beside the house (which would include a covered entrance area). A passage from the garage directly into the house is also under consideration. Or should the main entrance be on the west side instead, which might mean it would be uncovered?
Source for covered entrance: Weberhaus
I will post further key data throughout the thread as needed, in case I have forgotten anything important.
However, these points above need to be clarified first before we can continue planning the positioning of the dining, living, and kitchen areas, etc. (Of course, with a preference for south/west orientation).
I would appreciate any information and lively discussions.
Best regards, Andreas, and thank you in advance!
I have been following the forum for quite some time now and am gradually approaching the “house building” project step by step, trying to learn as much as possible in advance.
Thanks to the many experts here, this has truly been an enjoyable experience in the way the community contributes. (end of flattery mode) 🙂
As I already mentioned in my first major thread, we are currently working on preliminary planning and considering the house design and its orientation on the plot, even before our first meetings with potential builders.
Taking several factors into account regarding the plot, such as price and an undeveloped east-facing location (sloping gently down to the east), we found a micro-location that we really like. We weren’t able to get our ideal size, but with 770m² (8300 sq ft), I think it’s more than sufficient. The main advantage for us is that the land can be fully paid for from our own funds, so until construction starts in early 2018, we will continue saving equity and paying off any remaining debts.
Source: Excerpts from the development plan / self-created images
A building permit inquiry (building permit / planning permission) has already been submitted regarding the desired architectural style, and I have received approval to expand the building envelope up to 8 meters (26 feet) along the eastern boundary.
At the moment, we are leaning toward a rather classic city villa style (2 full floors with a hipped roof at 25° and a double garage).
Source: Weberhaus
Based on the budget we have personally set, we are initially planning without a basement. If it turns out to be feasible later on, we can still include it.
We have already visited model homes that appealed to us in terms of external design and even traveled from Bavaria to the Rhineland, and from there to Wuppertal for inspiration.
Right now, before the first planning meetings, we want to focus on finding the best possible orientation for the house and garage on the property, for example:
Source: Excerpts from the development plan
For me, one thing is already decided: the staircase, which I want to have exactly like this due to the fantastic light conditions. It captivated me at first sight.
Source: Weberhaus
Furthermore, we want to keep as much space as possible on the west and south sides to create what I consider an ideal sunny aspect and garden atmosphere.
This is also the tricky part, as the arrangement between house and garage is causing us some headaches.
Many questions arise, such as whether the garage should be placed in front of the house to free up more space on the south side, or rather beside the house (which would include a covered entrance area). A passage from the garage directly into the house is also under consideration. Or should the main entrance be on the west side instead, which might mean it would be uncovered?
Source for covered entrance: Weberhaus
I will post further key data throughout the thread as needed, in case I have forgotten anything important.
However, these points above need to be clarified first before we can continue planning the positioning of the dining, living, and kitchen areas, etc. (Of course, with a preference for south/west orientation).
I would appreciate any information and lively discussions.
Best regards, Andreas, and thank you in advance!
You now have 7 rooms on the upper floor, which means quite a few walls, making the individual rooms naturally smaller.
I would place the bed against the top wall of the plan (then you can also install a window facing east and avoid looking onto the garage roof). You can adjust the width of the bedroom according to the suggestions from @kbt09. To achieve the required depth, you will need to move the staircase downward. This should not be a problem for the children's room upstairs, but it will, of course, affect the size of the living room and office on the ground floor. However, it should still work.
I would place the bed against the top wall of the plan (then you can also install a window facing east and avoid looking onto the garage roof). You can adjust the width of the bedroom according to the suggestions from @kbt09. To achieve the required depth, you will need to move the staircase downward. This should not be a problem for the children's room upstairs, but it will, of course, affect the size of the living room and office on the ground floor. However, it should still work.
Häuslebau3r18 Aug 2016 10:30kbt09 schrieb:
Well, that immediately expands the room size for the bed ... I would set the room width, meaning the wall where the bed is placed, to at least 375 cm (12.3 ft) and the room depth to at least 320 cm (10.5 ft), preferably 340 cm (11.2 ft) = 12.75 m² (137 ft²). And now you see the problems that arise from seemingly ideal line drawings. Start making the plan including wall thicknesses. Use graph paper, accurately draw the exterior dimensions once, make multiple copies, and then start sketching with pencil. And keep the costs in mind. I just read your statement about that in a financing thread. What is the maximum budget for the house?Will definitely do that in the coming days.
I already mentioned that you never really stop learning. I will try Robson’s software or maybe start with pencil on an A3 drawing board beforehand.
Regarding the monthly payment or house costs, I don’t want to speculate yet, since so far only our intended maximum budget is known. With this finalized draft, we want to go into preliminary planning with our designer first (we didn't want to show up empty-handed). After that, we will start initial talks with lenders or brokers. Every “nice to have” costs money, and right now, I can’t estimate that. I already mentioned that the planned costs without the plot are around 320,000 to 350,000 euros. The plot, costing 70,000 euros, was purchased from equity earlier this year. The loan will probably be about 270,000 euros. Still, I don’t want to focus on costs in this thread but rather on the technical aspects.
In the other thread, I found the monthly payment range of 1500 to 2100 euros confusing, especially with an income similar to mine at 4800 euros, considering we plan to have children, which will reduce available funds further. I wouldn’t feel comfortable with that! That’s all I wanted to say about it.
ypg schrieb:
... An architect would know that you can’t just place the staircase wherever you feel like; the position of the stairs determines room widths. So ideally place the stairs centrally first to allow for practical room sizes beside it. You can still move it in the following year. That was a joke and intended as a reminder... Has the plot been purchased yet?.??Since I’m not an architect, I’m all the more grateful for your semi-professional and professional advice. I will definitely take that into account.
Jochen104 schrieb:
You now have 7 rooms in the upper floor, which means quite a few walls, making the individual rooms smaller. I would put the bed on the upper wall of the plan (then you can install a window facing east and avoid looking at the garage roof). You can then adjust the bedroom width according to the suggestions from @kbt09. To get the desired depth, you have to move the stairs downwards. That shouldn’t be a problem for the children’s room upstairs but will affect the size of the living room and office on the ground floor. It should still fit though.If I move it, the storage room would be removed, giving more space upstairs for the bedroom and allowing a wall to be omitted (so only 6 rooms). I will definitely do it as you suggested and then present it here again.
The only thing that might bother me a bit is the edge that will appear on the ground floor between the kitchen area and the staircase. But we’ll have to see.
Häuslebau3r18 Aug 2016 10:42@ypg (Yvonne) sorry, I forgot to answer your question. Yes, the plot of land has already been purchased, as after considering various factors and weighing other options, this was the best choice.
Regards, Andreas
Regards, Andreas
All good. I just want to remind you that you are at the very beginning and are only aiming for a rough layout.
Basically, I would recommend involving an architect in your planning and leaving your drafts at home.
Also, from what I see in the sketches (that’s all they are) and in your color samples, your sketches don’t fully convey what you have in mind.
Bring your photos to the planning meeting and state your budget limit; once the first draft is ready, it can be discussed.
That aside, I can easily imagine that @kbt09 or I might be interested, if time allows, to work on this project as a hobby.
Basically, I would recommend involving an architect in your planning and leaving your drafts at home.
Also, from what I see in the sketches (that’s all they are) and in your color samples, your sketches don’t fully convey what you have in mind.
Bring your photos to the planning meeting and state your budget limit; once the first draft is ready, it can be discussed.
That aside, I can easily imagine that @kbt09 or I might be interested, if time allows, to work on this project as a hobby.
Häuslebau3r18 Aug 2016 21:51ypg schrieb:
All good. I just want to remind you that you are at the very beginning and are aiming for a rough outline only.
Basically, I would involve an architect in your planning and leave your drafts at home.
Also, from the sketches (which are more or less all you have) and your color samples, I see that your sketches don’t really convey what you have in mind.
Take your photos with you to the planning meeting and state your budget limit; once the first draft is ready, it can be discussed.
That aside, I can well imagine that @kbt09 or I might be interested in working on this project as a hobby when time allows.
Good evening Yvonne,
it’s always nice to read something like this, and I agree with you.
Nevertheless, I haven’t been completely inactive and have given "Home by me" another try.
I will add dimensions and square meters later, as these are not shown there, as Robson already mentioned.
Häuslebau3r19 Aug 2016 06:57Good morning everyone,
Exterior walls 36cm (14 inches) and interior walls 20cm (8 inches) @RobsonMKK
I took the liberty to base it on your version.
Yes, as mentioned, "Home by me" doesn’t do this automatically, so I will measure everything manually today (time permitting) and also provide the square meters.
Regarding your point @kbt09, this would of course need to be checked on site. The house above mine, seen from the plot, has a similar structure, i.e., the garage is connected to the house, but with about 3m² (32 square feet) of an entrance area integrated on the west side.
I think this would initially be something to discuss with the local planner, and you could certainly also inquire about it with the municipality. (I am not aware of anything specific so far, but that doesn’t mean much.)
The technical room could also be modified or refined. I don’t know if it would be possible on the upper floor to extend the bedroom by about 1m (3 feet), but otherwise, as you already mentioned, the bed just won’t fit. Our current one is slightly larger than the one shown in the plans.
I’ll get back to you after measuring everything today.
Regards,
Andreas
RobsonMKK schrieb:
Wall thickness?
Exterior walls 36cm (14 inches) and interior walls 20cm (8 inches) @RobsonMKK
I took the liberty to base it on your version.
kbt09 schrieb:
Dimensions would be good.
And, just to consider, there was recently a thread where the building permit / planning permission was denied because the garage, built on the boundary line, was directly connected to the house and thus not freestanding. The boundary construction was denied and a distance of 3m (10 feet) should be maintained.
So, it would also make sense to have your design reviewed externally.
In the latest version, dimensions would be really helpful. The utility room and workshop seem difficult to furnish, especially the technical room, with too many windows and doors.
Yes, as mentioned, "Home by me" doesn’t do this automatically, so I will measure everything manually today (time permitting) and also provide the square meters.
Regarding your point @kbt09, this would of course need to be checked on site. The house above mine, seen from the plot, has a similar structure, i.e., the garage is connected to the house, but with about 3m² (32 square feet) of an entrance area integrated on the west side.
I think this would initially be something to discuss with the local planner, and you could certainly also inquire about it with the municipality. (I am not aware of anything specific so far, but that doesn’t mean much.)
The technical room could also be modified or refined. I don’t know if it would be possible on the upper floor to extend the bedroom by about 1m (3 feet), but otherwise, as you already mentioned, the bed just won’t fit. Our current one is slightly larger than the one shown in the plans.
I’ll get back to you after measuring everything today.
Regards,
Andreas
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