ᐅ Planning the Location of the House and Garage Within the Building Envelope *Preliminary Planning*
Created on: 9 Aug 2016 10:52
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Häuslebau3r
Hello everyone,
I have been following the forum for quite some time now and am gradually approaching the “house building” project step by step, trying to learn as much as possible in advance.
Thanks to the many experts here, this has truly been an enjoyable experience in the way the community contributes. (end of flattery mode) 🙂
As I already mentioned in my first major thread, we are currently working on preliminary planning and considering the house design and its orientation on the plot, even before our first meetings with potential builders.
Taking several factors into account regarding the plot, such as price and an undeveloped east-facing location (sloping gently down to the east), we found a micro-location that we really like. We weren’t able to get our ideal size, but with 770m² (8300 sq ft), I think it’s more than sufficient. The main advantage for us is that the land can be fully paid for from our own funds, so until construction starts in early 2018, we will continue saving equity and paying off any remaining debts.
Source: Excerpts from the development plan / self-created images
A building permit inquiry (building permit / planning permission) has already been submitted regarding the desired architectural style, and I have received approval to expand the building envelope up to 8 meters (26 feet) along the eastern boundary.
At the moment, we are leaning toward a rather classic city villa style (2 full floors with a hipped roof at 25° and a double garage).
Source: Weberhaus
Based on the budget we have personally set, we are initially planning without a basement. If it turns out to be feasible later on, we can still include it.
We have already visited model homes that appealed to us in terms of external design and even traveled from Bavaria to the Rhineland, and from there to Wuppertal for inspiration.
Right now, before the first planning meetings, we want to focus on finding the best possible orientation for the house and garage on the property, for example:
Source: Excerpts from the development plan
For me, one thing is already decided: the staircase, which I want to have exactly like this due to the fantastic light conditions. It captivated me at first sight.
Source: Weberhaus
Furthermore, we want to keep as much space as possible on the west and south sides to create what I consider an ideal sunny aspect and garden atmosphere.
This is also the tricky part, as the arrangement between house and garage is causing us some headaches.
Many questions arise, such as whether the garage should be placed in front of the house to free up more space on the south side, or rather beside the house (which would include a covered entrance area). A passage from the garage directly into the house is also under consideration. Or should the main entrance be on the west side instead, which might mean it would be uncovered?
Source for covered entrance: Weberhaus
I will post further key data throughout the thread as needed, in case I have forgotten anything important.
However, these points above need to be clarified first before we can continue planning the positioning of the dining, living, and kitchen areas, etc. (Of course, with a preference for south/west orientation).
I would appreciate any information and lively discussions.
Best regards, Andreas, and thank you in advance!
I have been following the forum for quite some time now and am gradually approaching the “house building” project step by step, trying to learn as much as possible in advance.
Thanks to the many experts here, this has truly been an enjoyable experience in the way the community contributes. (end of flattery mode) 🙂
As I already mentioned in my first major thread, we are currently working on preliminary planning and considering the house design and its orientation on the plot, even before our first meetings with potential builders.
Taking several factors into account regarding the plot, such as price and an undeveloped east-facing location (sloping gently down to the east), we found a micro-location that we really like. We weren’t able to get our ideal size, but with 770m² (8300 sq ft), I think it’s more than sufficient. The main advantage for us is that the land can be fully paid for from our own funds, so until construction starts in early 2018, we will continue saving equity and paying off any remaining debts.
Source: Excerpts from the development plan / self-created images
A building permit inquiry (building permit / planning permission) has already been submitted regarding the desired architectural style, and I have received approval to expand the building envelope up to 8 meters (26 feet) along the eastern boundary.
At the moment, we are leaning toward a rather classic city villa style (2 full floors with a hipped roof at 25° and a double garage).
Source: Weberhaus
Based on the budget we have personally set, we are initially planning without a basement. If it turns out to be feasible later on, we can still include it.
We have already visited model homes that appealed to us in terms of external design and even traveled from Bavaria to the Rhineland, and from there to Wuppertal for inspiration.
Right now, before the first planning meetings, we want to focus on finding the best possible orientation for the house and garage on the property, for example:
Source: Excerpts from the development plan
For me, one thing is already decided: the staircase, which I want to have exactly like this due to the fantastic light conditions. It captivated me at first sight.
Source: Weberhaus
Furthermore, we want to keep as much space as possible on the west and south sides to create what I consider an ideal sunny aspect and garden atmosphere.
This is also the tricky part, as the arrangement between house and garage is causing us some headaches.
Many questions arise, such as whether the garage should be placed in front of the house to free up more space on the south side, or rather beside the house (which would include a covered entrance area). A passage from the garage directly into the house is also under consideration. Or should the main entrance be on the west side instead, which might mean it would be uncovered?
Source for covered entrance: Weberhaus
I will post further key data throughout the thread as needed, in case I have forgotten anything important.
However, these points above need to be clarified first before we can continue planning the positioning of the dining, living, and kitchen areas, etc. (Of course, with a preference for south/west orientation).
I would appreciate any information and lively discussions.
Best regards, Andreas, and thank you in advance!
You really should start drawing this with realistic wall thicknesses.
The staircase also won’t really have much impact. You can’t see it from the entrance, and you leave the living area without a view of the staircase, only catching sight of it just before you reach it.
If the dark grey lines represent windows, then everyone in the living room will be sitting with their back to the window.
Child 1 ... approx. 260 x 600 cm (102 x 236 inches) ... it will be quite difficult to furnish. With central access, the room could at least be divided into two areas, but as it is, it is accessed from one long side.
The staircase also won’t really have much impact. You can’t see it from the entrance, and you leave the living area without a view of the staircase, only catching sight of it just before you reach it.
If the dark grey lines represent windows, then everyone in the living room will be sitting with their back to the window.
Child 1 ... approx. 260 x 600 cm (102 x 236 inches) ... it will be quite difficult to furnish. With central access, the room could at least be divided into two areas, but as it is, it is accessed from one long side.
Häuslebau3r18 Aug 2016 07:02Good morning everyone,
@RobsonMKK kindly shared a draft with wall thicknesses yesterday. This already revealed quite a few issues with the initial sketch. Since I don’t want to avoid the work myself, I will, of course, take some time in the next few days to get familiar with the software and actively work on it myself.
@kbt09, as mentioned above, I can only agree with you, @ypg, and everyone else that it really needs to be planned again with wall thicknesses taken into account. From what Robson’s draft showed, there would still be quite a bit of space available in the living, kitchen, and dining areas.
Regarding the staircase, one other option—if you want to keep it on the east side—would be to move it to the level of the office and shift the office or guest room downward. This way, the staircase could potentially become a highlight, maybe with a great stairwell, directly visible from the entrance. Naturally, this would change the layout upstairs, for example the sequence of master bedroom, walk-in closet, etc.
At the moment, I can’t think of any other real alternative for the floor plan… *thinking*
@RobsonMKK kindly shared a draft with wall thicknesses yesterday. This already revealed quite a few issues with the initial sketch. Since I don’t want to avoid the work myself, I will, of course, take some time in the next few days to get familiar with the software and actively work on it myself.
@kbt09, as mentioned above, I can only agree with you, @ypg, and everyone else that it really needs to be planned again with wall thicknesses taken into account. From what Robson’s draft showed, there would still be quite a bit of space available in the living, kitchen, and dining areas.
Regarding the staircase, one other option—if you want to keep it on the east side—would be to move it to the level of the office and shift the office or guest room downward. This way, the staircase could potentially become a highlight, maybe with a great stairwell, directly visible from the entrance. Naturally, this would change the layout upstairs, for example the sequence of master bedroom, walk-in closet, etc.
At the moment, I can’t think of any other real alternative for the floor plan… *thinking*
Hello,
I’m joining in again. I think the floor plan has definitely improved. Maybe we should start a "hobby architects forum."
The next step is really to draw with accurate wall thicknesses and roughly furnish it with your furniture items.
Honestly, I’m not a fan of the idea to swap the stairs with the office. That would squeeze the stairs into the corner of the house just so you can see them from the entrance. Upstairs, it would ruin everything.
The fireplace right next to the door and next to the TV stand also won’t work. When it’s on, you won’t want to go in and out anymore.
Also, a chimney shaft would have to run up through the middle of the hallway above that.
In my opinion, the direct access to the utility room is good and important as well.
I’m joining in again. I think the floor plan has definitely improved. Maybe we should start a "hobby architects forum."
The next step is really to draw with accurate wall thicknesses and roughly furnish it with your furniture items.
Honestly, I’m not a fan of the idea to swap the stairs with the office. That would squeeze the stairs into the corner of the house just so you can see them from the entrance. Upstairs, it would ruin everything.
The fireplace right next to the door and next to the TV stand also won’t work. When it’s on, you won’t want to go in and out anymore.
Also, a chimney shaft would have to run up through the middle of the hallway above that.
In my opinion, the direct access to the utility room is good and important as well.
Häuslebau3r18 Aug 2016 08:36Good morning @Jochen104
I just briefly tried to shift the stairwell and the office, but it doesn’t really work on the upper floor anymore. On the ground floor, it might still be possible to fit it in somehow, but only with great difficulty. I agree somewhat with @kbt09 that a straight alignment on the ground floor would look better, but as you also mentioned, this needs to be drawn properly in a design program with walls and possibly adjusted or moved.
Regarding the fireplace, yes, that probably won’t work as planned. It would likely have to be placed more towards the east, for example against the wall or something similar. I thought a 180-degree fireplace as a kind of room divider would look appealing, at least visually.
I give my top recommendation to the “Hobby Architect Forum.”
Attached is my attempt for the ground floor—I stopped working on the upper floor...
I just briefly tried to shift the stairwell and the office, but it doesn’t really work on the upper floor anymore. On the ground floor, it might still be possible to fit it in somehow, but only with great difficulty. I agree somewhat with @kbt09 that a straight alignment on the ground floor would look better, but as you also mentioned, this needs to be drawn properly in a design program with walls and possibly adjusted or moved.
Regarding the fireplace, yes, that probably won’t work as planned. It would likely have to be placed more towards the east, for example against the wall or something similar. I thought a 180-degree fireplace as a kind of room divider would look appealing, at least visually.
I give my top recommendation to the “Hobby Architect Forum.”
Attached is my attempt for the ground floor—I stopped working on the upper floor...
Häuslebau3r schrieb:
Good morning everyone,
@RobsonMKK kindly sent me a draft with wall thicknesses yesterday. You can already see quite a few issues with the sketch.*And now we won’t get to see it, @RobsonMKK?
@ypg yes, yes
Attached.
This was before the latest changes, but I think some things are already obvious (even though I didn’t have exact measurements).
I simply assumed a 36cm (14 inch) wall thickness and kept the exterior dimensions at 10 x 10.5 meters (33 x 34.5 feet).
The entrance door has a side panel (1.40m (4.6 ft)) and the bathroom on the ground floor will be downgraded to a toilet. The kitchen will be quite tight, while the living room still has plenty of space.
Upstairs, the bedroom as it currently is won’t work. There’s now a 180cm (71 inch) bed in there and it’s almost impossible to move around.
Also, the walk-in closet with its three doors will naturally be more difficult to furnish.
Unfortunately, there are no measurements on the floor plans (Home.by.me).
Attached.
This was before the latest changes, but I think some things are already obvious (even though I didn’t have exact measurements).
I simply assumed a 36cm (14 inch) wall thickness and kept the exterior dimensions at 10 x 10.5 meters (33 x 34.5 feet).
The entrance door has a side panel (1.40m (4.6 ft)) and the bathroom on the ground floor will be downgraded to a toilet. The kitchen will be quite tight, while the living room still has plenty of space.
Upstairs, the bedroom as it currently is won’t work. There’s now a 180cm (71 inch) bed in there and it’s almost impossible to move around.
Also, the walk-in closet with its three doors will naturally be more difficult to furnish.
Unfortunately, there are no measurements on the floor plans (Home.by.me).
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