ᐅ Planning the Location of the House and Garage Within the Building Envelope *Preliminary Planning*
Created on: 9 Aug 2016 10:52
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Häuslebau3r
Hello everyone,
I have been following the forum for quite some time now and am gradually approaching the “house building” project step by step, trying to learn as much as possible in advance.
Thanks to the many experts here, this has truly been an enjoyable experience in the way the community contributes. (end of flattery mode) 🙂
As I already mentioned in my first major thread, we are currently working on preliminary planning and considering the house design and its orientation on the plot, even before our first meetings with potential builders.
Taking several factors into account regarding the plot, such as price and an undeveloped east-facing location (sloping gently down to the east), we found a micro-location that we really like. We weren’t able to get our ideal size, but with 770m² (8300 sq ft), I think it’s more than sufficient. The main advantage for us is that the land can be fully paid for from our own funds, so until construction starts in early 2018, we will continue saving equity and paying off any remaining debts.
Source: Excerpts from the development plan / self-created images
A building permit inquiry (building permit / planning permission) has already been submitted regarding the desired architectural style, and I have received approval to expand the building envelope up to 8 meters (26 feet) along the eastern boundary.
At the moment, we are leaning toward a rather classic city villa style (2 full floors with a hipped roof at 25° and a double garage).
Source: Weberhaus
Based on the budget we have personally set, we are initially planning without a basement. If it turns out to be feasible later on, we can still include it.
We have already visited model homes that appealed to us in terms of external design and even traveled from Bavaria to the Rhineland, and from there to Wuppertal for inspiration.
Right now, before the first planning meetings, we want to focus on finding the best possible orientation for the house and garage on the property, for example:
Source: Excerpts from the development plan
For me, one thing is already decided: the staircase, which I want to have exactly like this due to the fantastic light conditions. It captivated me at first sight.
Source: Weberhaus
Furthermore, we want to keep as much space as possible on the west and south sides to create what I consider an ideal sunny aspect and garden atmosphere.
This is also the tricky part, as the arrangement between house and garage is causing us some headaches.
Many questions arise, such as whether the garage should be placed in front of the house to free up more space on the south side, or rather beside the house (which would include a covered entrance area). A passage from the garage directly into the house is also under consideration. Or should the main entrance be on the west side instead, which might mean it would be uncovered?
Source for covered entrance: Weberhaus
I will post further key data throughout the thread as needed, in case I have forgotten anything important.
However, these points above need to be clarified first before we can continue planning the positioning of the dining, living, and kitchen areas, etc. (Of course, with a preference for south/west orientation).
I would appreciate any information and lively discussions.
Best regards, Andreas, and thank you in advance!
I have been following the forum for quite some time now and am gradually approaching the “house building” project step by step, trying to learn as much as possible in advance.
Thanks to the many experts here, this has truly been an enjoyable experience in the way the community contributes. (end of flattery mode) 🙂
As I already mentioned in my first major thread, we are currently working on preliminary planning and considering the house design and its orientation on the plot, even before our first meetings with potential builders.
Taking several factors into account regarding the plot, such as price and an undeveloped east-facing location (sloping gently down to the east), we found a micro-location that we really like. We weren’t able to get our ideal size, but with 770m² (8300 sq ft), I think it’s more than sufficient. The main advantage for us is that the land can be fully paid for from our own funds, so until construction starts in early 2018, we will continue saving equity and paying off any remaining debts.
Source: Excerpts from the development plan / self-created images
A building permit inquiry (building permit / planning permission) has already been submitted regarding the desired architectural style, and I have received approval to expand the building envelope up to 8 meters (26 feet) along the eastern boundary.
At the moment, we are leaning toward a rather classic city villa style (2 full floors with a hipped roof at 25° and a double garage).
Source: Weberhaus
Based on the budget we have personally set, we are initially planning without a basement. If it turns out to be feasible later on, we can still include it.
We have already visited model homes that appealed to us in terms of external design and even traveled from Bavaria to the Rhineland, and from there to Wuppertal for inspiration.
Right now, before the first planning meetings, we want to focus on finding the best possible orientation for the house and garage on the property, for example:
Source: Excerpts from the development plan
For me, one thing is already decided: the staircase, which I want to have exactly like this due to the fantastic light conditions. It captivated me at first sight.
Source: Weberhaus
Furthermore, we want to keep as much space as possible on the west and south sides to create what I consider an ideal sunny aspect and garden atmosphere.
This is also the tricky part, as the arrangement between house and garage is causing us some headaches.
Many questions arise, such as whether the garage should be placed in front of the house to free up more space on the south side, or rather beside the house (which would include a covered entrance area). A passage from the garage directly into the house is also under consideration. Or should the main entrance be on the west side instead, which might mean it would be uncovered?
Source for covered entrance: Weberhaus
I will post further key data throughout the thread as needed, in case I have forgotten anything important.
However, these points above need to be clarified first before we can continue planning the positioning of the dining, living, and kitchen areas, etc. (Of course, with a preference for south/west orientation).
I would appreciate any information and lively discussions.
Best regards, Andreas, and thank you in advance!
In this version, the guest toilet does not have a window. You should be aware of that. I personally wouldn’t like a room without a window.
If you want to keep it that way, you could also move the room further to the right according to the plan, all the way into the corner. The door to the office would then be positioned further down, and the door to the utility room further to the left.
Whether all of this can be structurally achieved at reasonable costs remains to be seen. What is that on the left side of the living room next to the TV wall?
At first glance, I don’t find the storage room that narrow. If I understood @Häuslebau3r correctly, only a narrow shelf and maybe a vacuum cleaner or something similar need to fit in there.
We also have a single-leaf door to the living room, but it is 1 m (3.3 feet) wide. I’m completely satisfied with that; I don’t see a reason to have a wider door there that I wouldn’t open anyway.
If you want to keep it that way, you could also move the room further to the right according to the plan, all the way into the corner. The door to the office would then be positioned further down, and the door to the utility room further to the left.
Whether all of this can be structurally achieved at reasonable costs remains to be seen. What is that on the left side of the living room next to the TV wall?
At first glance, I don’t find the storage room that narrow. If I understood @Häuslebau3r correctly, only a narrow shelf and maybe a vacuum cleaner or something similar need to fit in there.
We also have a single-leaf door to the living room, but it is 1 m (3.3 feet) wide. I’m completely satisfied with that; I don’t see a reason to have a wider door there that I wouldn’t open anyway.
Hi Jochen,
the meter is fine. But 90cm (35 inches) as the only access is quite narrow. And especially because of the "something" you mentioned, I wanted to point that out.
As for the rest: okay, I didn't consider the windows.
The storage room is fine if it really only holds the vacuum cleaner and a few small items. However, that would basically be the "trunk," and if you then keep suitcases or similar in there, it quickly turns into clutter.
the meter is fine. But 90cm (35 inches) as the only access is quite narrow. And especially because of the "something" you mentioned, I wanted to point that out.
As for the rest: okay, I didn't consider the windows.
The storage room is fine if it really only holds the vacuum cleaner and a few small items. However, that would basically be the "trunk," and if you then keep suitcases or similar in there, it quickly turns into clutter.
And then take real walls, and nothing fits anymore.
A width of one meter can quickly become 80cm (31 inches) :P
Regarding option 3 from me: Good choice to skip the pantry. Added value by rearranging so that the utility room can also be accessed from inside.
Do not plan the bathroom on the upper floor directly above the dining room!
A large hallway on the upper floor is useless if there are doors everywhere. There won’t even be space for a shelf or sofa.
A width of one meter can quickly become 80cm (31 inches) :P
Regarding option 3 from me: Good choice to skip the pantry. Added value by rearranging so that the utility room can also be accessed from inside.
Do not plan the bathroom on the upper floor directly above the dining room!
A large hallway on the upper floor is useless if there are doors everywhere. There won’t even be space for a shelf or sofa.
ypg schrieb:
And now take real walls, and nothing fits anymore That’s true, I just tried with 36cm (14 inches) walls, and it really gets tight.
Häuslebau3r17 Aug 2016 20:16Good evening everyone and hats off to you all.
I’m really impressed by how much everyone is contributing their thoughts here. *Thumbs up*
Sometimes you just can’t see the wood for the trees --> a bathroom on the ground floor without a window… how does one even come up with that?
I’ve now swapped the bathroom and the cloakroom on the ground floor again. Then I moved the utility room slightly forward so that it can be accessed from the house. You can enter the utility room through the garage. You could also see it as a kind of mudroom. The office was moved minimally forward.
Yes, the small box in the living area is supposed to be the see-through fireplace, which hasn’t really found its place in the new floor plan yet. The door in the living area was extended to 1 meter (3.3 feet).
Upstairs, I moved the bathroom next to the main bathroom. Unfortunately, I couldn’t think of another layout with, for example, a dresser area between the children’s rooms. I assume that wouldn’t work out in terms of square meters or the overall layout.
Best regards,
Andreas
I’m really impressed by how much everyone is contributing their thoughts here. *Thumbs up*
Sometimes you just can’t see the wood for the trees --> a bathroom on the ground floor without a window… how does one even come up with that?
I’ve now swapped the bathroom and the cloakroom on the ground floor again. Then I moved the utility room slightly forward so that it can be accessed from the house. You can enter the utility room through the garage. You could also see it as a kind of mudroom. The office was moved minimally forward.
Yes, the small box in the living area is supposed to be the see-through fireplace, which hasn’t really found its place in the new floor plan yet. The door in the living area was extended to 1 meter (3.3 feet).
Upstairs, I moved the bathroom next to the main bathroom. Unfortunately, I couldn’t think of another layout with, for example, a dresser area between the children’s rooms. I assume that wouldn’t work out in terms of square meters or the overall layout.
Best regards,
Andreas
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