ᐅ Single-Family Home Construction Plan: Key Issue – Basement Living Space, Dream or Nightmare
Created on: 13 Oct 2015 16:19
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MarcWen
Dear forum members, we need some support. To possibly take some concerns off our minds or to gather more courage. For about four weeks now, we have been going in circles without making real progress.
Without going into too much detail, it should be possible to provide a realistic assessment of whether our project is feasible:
We are leaving out landscaping and so on. Otherwise, no major frills or anything like that planned. Room and floor layouts are practical and functional. For example, there is only one bathroom per floor (~10 sqm (110 sq ft), so no wellness area or cost drivers). The house type also does not include many extras at this stage—no bay windows, balconies, many windows, etc., just a simple gable roof on top.
Of course, I could now calculate the 210 sqm (2,260 sq ft) of living space at the commonly quoted rate of 2,000 euros per sqm + garage + basement.
The sticking point is always this living basement. Everyone seems to struggle with it, or we haven’t found the right builder yet. At the beginning, we looked at some online sources and roughly budgeted around 60,000 euros. However, the feedback from our current contacts is mostly just a dismissive smile. Some of the estimates even made me hold back laughter:
Surely, the truth lies somewhere in between, but what would be realistic? Unfortunately, conversations usually fail at this point, with the question of what else to consider or revise. Then the house ends up costing 600,000+ euros, and I have the uneasy feeling that we are planning our living basement more as a goldmine for the builder.
Without going into too much detail, it should be possible to provide a realistic assessment of whether our project is feasible:
- Plan for a one-and-a-half-story single-family house, footprint approximately 10 x 12 meters (knee wall about 1 meter)
- KFW 55 standard
- If I roughly calculate, the ground floor and upper floor together add up to about 210 sqm (2,260 sq ft) of living space
- Move-in ready construction
- Now I take this hypothetical single-family house and instead of building on a concrete slab, plan a basement with about 75 sqm (810 sq ft) of living space (rest as usable space)
- We complete our dream with a double garage including a walkable roof terrace
We are leaving out landscaping and so on. Otherwise, no major frills or anything like that planned. Room and floor layouts are practical and functional. For example, there is only one bathroom per floor (~10 sqm (110 sq ft), so no wellness area or cost drivers). The house type also does not include many extras at this stage—no bay windows, balconies, many windows, etc., just a simple gable roof on top.
Of course, I could now calculate the 210 sqm (2,260 sq ft) of living space at the commonly quoted rate of 2,000 euros per sqm + garage + basement.
The sticking point is always this living basement. Everyone seems to struggle with it, or we haven’t found the right builder yet. At the beginning, we looked at some online sources and roughly budgeted around 60,000 euros. However, the feedback from our current contacts is mostly just a dismissive smile. Some of the estimates even made me hold back laughter:
- Sometimes costs are double-counted; the living basement costs a total sum x, plus cost per sqm of living space
- The ground floor is projected downward: 120 sqm (1,290 sq ft) x 2,000 euros per sqm, totaling 200,000 euros
- The living basement is almost like a separate house or bungalow, so it costs about 250,000 euros
Surely, the truth lies somewhere in between, but what would be realistic? Unfortunately, conversations usually fail at this point, with the question of what else to consider or revise. Then the house ends up costing 600,000+ euros, and I have the uneasy feeling that we are planning our living basement more as a goldmine for the builder.
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Bauexperte14 Oct 2015 12:05MarcWen schrieb:
Bauexperte
All questions answered?Yes, thank you (although I am unfortunately not familiar with your abbreviations > GdB 100 with G, aG <).Good luck!
Regards, Bauexperte
Bauexperte schrieb:
Yes, thanks (although I can’t really make sense of your abbreviations > GdB 100 with G, aG <).“Dr. Google” roughly provides the following:“Disability” around 100%, probably wheelchair user
Marking G – mobility in traffic is significantly impaired,
Marking aG – exceptional disability affecting walking, movement is severely restricted
Sebastian79 schrieb:
Merlin, you should start with the shell construction first – it’s usually the stage where you can still save money Ok – and how do you justify that? It’s not that I don’t want to believe you, but it would be easier for me to understand with some explanation.
Bauexperte schrieb:
However, I have to agree with Sebastian on one point. It’s not the right approach to first create a design and then look for a suitable plot based on that. That often backfires and leads to problems. It’s better to first find a plot – without a building contract/general contractor/developer – so you remain in control of your decisions, and then see what type of development is possible.
Regards, BauexperteMany roads lead to Rome. This may be true for 95% of home builders, but we were already aware that we have specific requirements for the plot.
Today’s conversation with the architect was very successful – finally talking to a professional and not a salesperson. I think we have made up our minds to build with an architect.
We now also have someone to assist us with selecting the plot, including checking with the local building authority beforehand to see if our intended construction is permitted and to possibly apply for a special permit.
So if anyone has a plot available, feel free to contact me.
ypg schrieb:
@MarcWen
Or a single-family house with 2 granny flats.
And then you wonder about the high cost estimate for the building permits / planning permission?More like that. But as mentioned at the beginning, that was not fixed. The approach was always a single-family house with about 120 sqm (1292 sq ft) of living space and a finished basement. (Granny flat for the parents-in-law).
The idea for the attic came later, since there was space and the rooms already planned could be arranged to be separate.
But you’re right, everyone somehow missed the mark on the cost estimate. Mostly with the finished basement, but also with the living units it was difficult. Sometimes they even planned two heating systems and things like that.
Although I still find it hard to see any real cost drivers in that concept. Take the attic, for example – we planned 4 rooms, a kitchen, and a bathroom. Now we arrange the rooms so that 2 rooms, the kitchen, and bathroom form one unit, and 2 children’s bedrooms are separate. We are not planning an additional children’s bathroom.
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