ᐅ Single-Family Home Construction Plan: Key Issue – Basement Living Space, Dream or Nightmare

Created on: 13 Oct 2015 16:19
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MarcWen
Dear forum members, we need some support. To possibly take some concerns off our minds or to gather more courage. For about four weeks now, we have been going in circles without making real progress.

Without going into too much detail, it should be possible to provide a realistic assessment of whether our project is feasible:

  • Plan for a one-and-a-half-story single-family house, footprint approximately 10 x 12 meters (knee wall about 1 meter)
  • KFW 55 standard
  • If I roughly calculate, the ground floor and upper floor together add up to about 210 sqm (2,260 sq ft) of living space
  • Move-in ready construction
  • Now I take this hypothetical single-family house and instead of building on a concrete slab, plan a basement with about 75 sqm (810 sq ft) of living space (rest as usable space)
  • We complete our dream with a double garage including a walkable roof terrace

We are leaving out landscaping and so on. Otherwise, no major frills or anything like that planned. Room and floor layouts are practical and functional. For example, there is only one bathroom per floor (~10 sqm (110 sq ft), so no wellness area or cost drivers). The house type also does not include many extras at this stage—no bay windows, balconies, many windows, etc., just a simple gable roof on top.

Of course, I could now calculate the 210 sqm (2,260 sq ft) of living space at the commonly quoted rate of 2,000 euros per sqm + garage + basement.

The sticking point is always this living basement. Everyone seems to struggle with it, or we haven’t found the right builder yet. At the beginning, we looked at some online sources and roughly budgeted around 60,000 euros. However, the feedback from our current contacts is mostly just a dismissive smile. Some of the estimates even made me hold back laughter:

  • Sometimes costs are double-counted; the living basement costs a total sum x, plus cost per sqm of living space
  • The ground floor is projected downward: 120 sqm (1,290 sq ft) x 2,000 euros per sqm, totaling 200,000 euros
  • The living basement is almost like a separate house or bungalow, so it costs about 250,000 euros

Surely, the truth lies somewhere in between, but what would be realistic? Unfortunately, conversations usually fail at this point, with the question of what else to consider or revise. Then the house ends up costing 600,000+ euros, and I have the uneasy feeling that we are planning our living basement more as a goldmine for the builder.
MarcWen13 Oct 2015 18:56
Wastl schrieb:
A 10 by 12 meter (33 by 39 feet) exterior dimension doesn’t equal 120 square meters (1,292 square feet) of living space. You can safely deduct about 20% for exterior and interior walls.

A basement costs money; a living basement requires extra insulation, heating, possibly ventilation, and larger windows.

Still, your cost estimate seems rather high—are you planning to build through individual contracts or with a general contractor?

10 by 12 was/is my current plan in Excel, just the clear floor area without walls. That’s the space we need on the ground floor and basement. We understand that the house will be slightly larger in exterior dimensions depending on the wall thickness. So we need about 120 square meters (1,292 square feet) of living space on the ground floor in total.

We’re basically looking for a house builder or provider who builds mostly turnkey. Our previous talks (including with three prefabricated house builders) have been rather disappointing, as described. The great marketing promises of custom building come to a halt at the garage and basement stage. One option might be to switch: have the ground floor ready to move into and take care of the basement and upper floor later ourselves or with acquaintances, doing things like painting, wallpapering, etc. However, I suspect this won’t save much and it might make more sense to do everything at once while the contractors are already on site.

[QUOTE="Bauexperte, post: 103789, member: 2942"]

Depending on where the plot is located and its cost, you may not make it work with your budget!

But it’s true, a living basement is an expensive matter, as you can see above. If the soil survey turns out unfavorably, additional costs in the five-figure range may arise.

All in all, your previous “experiences” with consultants don’t sound very promising. My suggestion: chalk it up to life experience and look for a reputable builder.
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Sebastian79
13 Oct 2015 19:03
Do you even have a plot of land yet? Are you allowed to build that high?

120 m² (1300 sq ft) of living space on the ground floor (!!!) – just imagine that, it will be a huge house. What size plot do you have or are you considering?

Then you’re probably back at around 600,000 euros, which seems realistic to me.
MarcWen13 Oct 2015 19:16
Sebastian79 schrieb:
Do you even have a plot of land yet? Are you allowed to build that high?

120 sqm (1,292 sq ft) of living space on the ground floor (!!!) – just imagine that, it will be a huge house – what size plot have you actually considered?

Then you’re back at around 600,000 euros, which seems realistic to me.

We’re relaxed about the plot. Here, there are also home builders offering land packages, but that only makes sense if the house package fits. So first, we need a provider who can and wants to build the house within roughly 500,000 euros. Then, the appropriate building volume will be defined, as well as the requirements we have for the plot. Or the provider will clearly explain if that budget is far too low.

At the same time, we are looking ourselves for plots with at least 30 meters (98 feet) of frontage and a minimum of 750 sqm (8,073 sq ft).

The ground floor is that large because we want our living area (my wife’s and mine) there, barrier-free, including sleeping, living, dining, and working areas.
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Sebastian79
13 Oct 2015 19:19
Well, I’m curious about this – the approach is quite unusual, since typically you design a house to fit the plot, not the other way around.

There are so many factors that can blow your budget...

How many people are there currently or planned to live in the house?
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Bauexperte
13 Oct 2015 19:36
Good evening,
MarcWen schrieb:

Tomorrow we have a meeting with an architect. I hope it will finally be more positive and at least more transparent.
Make sure to ask whether the initial consultation is free and from when exactly you will be charged for using the architect’s services. With an architect, you don’t need a formal contract; a simple “please proceed” already counts as engagement.

However, I have to agree with Sebastian on one point. It is not the right approach to first create a design and then look for a suitable plot of land based on it. That often fails and leads to problems. It’s better to first find a plot – without a developer/general contractor/building company involved – so you stay in control of your decisions, and then see what kind of development is possible.

Best regards, Bauexperte
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Bauexperte
13 Oct 2015 19:41
MarcWen schrieb:

The basement is also supposed to protrude half a floor above ground, so we don’t have to dig so deep.

However, this does not really reduce the total construction cost, assuming normal soil conditions. Exposed basement walls need to be insulated and finished with an exterior render. Furthermore, if the basement is raised above ground level, a staircase is required to access the house.

Best regards, Bauexperte