ᐅ Designing a Closed Kitchen with an Access to the Utility Room

Hello, we are quite frustrated.
We can’t seem to find a proper solution for planning our kitchen, where we would also like to include a small dining table with four chairs.

There are 5 people in our household.
Where should the tall cabinets go, where should the passage to the utility room be, and where should the stove and other appliances be placed?

Entrance with a smaller kitchen floor plan including access to the terrace
Entrance with a larger floor plan without access to the terrace.

This also applies here:
@Benutzername12, discussing the individual rooms is quite counterproductive when the overall layout still needs to be revised anyway due to various issues.
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/grundrissplanung-stadthaus-mit-einem-satteldach.48201/

The entire planning is problematic because of the central passageway to the utility room. You will never achieve an ergonomic kitchen design with that. You can already see this in your two proposals: either the cooktop and sink are too close together and located in the darkest corner of the room—while the room is quite dark anyway—or the sink and cooktop are spread apart by the passage, making the layout resemble an old building where kitchen elements were awkwardly planned into a corridor room.

Why do you want a table in the kitchen when the large dining table is right next door? I think it's a complete waste of space.

@hanse987 ... this is the holiday table (something is missing here that is not allowed to be used here ... comma dash bracket )

kbt09 schrieb:

This also applies here.
@Benutzername12 it’s quite counterproductive to discuss the individual rooms when the overall layout still needs to be revised for various reasons.
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/grundrissplanung-stadthaus-mit-einem-satteldach.48201/

The entire plan is problematic because of the central passage to the utility room. You will never achieve an ergonomic kitchen layout this way. You can already see this in your two options: either the cooktop and sink are far too close together and located in the darkest corner of the room— which is quite dark anyway— or the sink and cooktop are pulled apart by the passage, making the room layout resemble an old building where kitchen elements were planned into a through room.

We will not make major changes to the kitchen and bathroom.
This works for us.
We found the idea of the passage interesting.
The door could be moved...
Or we could possibly work with a kitchen island here: cabinets in the back to pass through and an island with the cooktop in front.

hanse987 schrieb:

Why do you want a table in the kitchen when the large dining table is right next door? I think that’s a complete waste of space.

We want to eat in the kitchen.
The dining table in the living room is intended for guests and such.
Especially with three children, the large table is often covered with playdough, drawing, or other activities, so having space to eat in the kitchen makes sense.

Benutzername12 schrieb:

We found the idea of a passage interesting.

What do you need the passage in the kitchen for? And a passage placed in the middle or off-center in the wall doesn’t solve the problems. Rooms with a clear width of 326 cm (128 inches) cannot accommodate islands. As I mentioned, I know such kitchen spaces from older buildings, but no one would design kitchens like this in new construction. And I have certainly planned about 1,000 kitchens over the past 18 years.