ᐅ Overwhelmed by Bathroom Tiling Options – Any Alternatives?
Created on: 17 Aug 2016 12:20
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Knallkörper
Hello forum members,
In our new build, we have an 18 m² (193.75 sq ft) bathroom with a sloped ceiling and a 4.7 m² (50.6 sq ft) guest toilet. The main bathroom is planned to include a large walk-in shower measuring 1.20 x 1.00 m (3.9 x 3.3 ft), a stylish V&B bathtub, a double vanity, and an elegant toilet. The fittings for the shower and bathtub will be concealed-mounted.
The guest toilet will not have a bathtub and will only have a simple washbasin, but we want a slightly larger, attractive shower and a nice toilet as well.
We have received a quote from our general contractor’s preferred plumber. They want nearly 25,000 euros extra for the sanitary installation. Of this, 13,750 euros are for the “washbasin unit with mirror cabinet” in the main bathroom.
When I compare the largest material items in the overall quote with prices found online, I could save about 8,000 euros by purchasing the materials myself. For example:
V&B Squaro Edge 12 bathtub 190 x 90 cm (6.2 x 3 ft)
Installer’s quote: 1,655 euros (delivery only, plus installation)
Online price: 850 euros including shipping
The biggest discrepancies are with the individual parts of the Keuco “washbasin unit,” with price differences of over 100%.
Now I’m considering what to do. Ideally, I would decline the entire offer politely and source (almost) all parts myself and install them. Negotiation seems pointless since my idea of a fair price appears far from the plumber’s expectations.
So far, our own contribution to the whole house has been “only” laying all the flooring and doing all the tiling. If I install the sanitary fixtures myself, I wouldn’t have any scheduling conflicts with the general contractor. My plan is to have the GC’s plumber only make the connections at the correct positions. They can keep their standard fixtures. Then I would buy the bathtub, etc., at a better price and either install everything myself or hire another company for the installation.
Could this work? What should I consider regarding drywall work — is it done before or after the installation of the sanitary fixtures?
I would appreciate any suggestions or experience reports related to this kind of project.
In our new build, we have an 18 m² (193.75 sq ft) bathroom with a sloped ceiling and a 4.7 m² (50.6 sq ft) guest toilet. The main bathroom is planned to include a large walk-in shower measuring 1.20 x 1.00 m (3.9 x 3.3 ft), a stylish V&B bathtub, a double vanity, and an elegant toilet. The fittings for the shower and bathtub will be concealed-mounted.
The guest toilet will not have a bathtub and will only have a simple washbasin, but we want a slightly larger, attractive shower and a nice toilet as well.
We have received a quote from our general contractor’s preferred plumber. They want nearly 25,000 euros extra for the sanitary installation. Of this, 13,750 euros are for the “washbasin unit with mirror cabinet” in the main bathroom.
When I compare the largest material items in the overall quote with prices found online, I could save about 8,000 euros by purchasing the materials myself. For example:
V&B Squaro Edge 12 bathtub 190 x 90 cm (6.2 x 3 ft)
Installer’s quote: 1,655 euros (delivery only, plus installation)
Online price: 850 euros including shipping
The biggest discrepancies are with the individual parts of the Keuco “washbasin unit,” with price differences of over 100%.
Now I’m considering what to do. Ideally, I would decline the entire offer politely and source (almost) all parts myself and install them. Negotiation seems pointless since my idea of a fair price appears far from the plumber’s expectations.
So far, our own contribution to the whole house has been “only” laying all the flooring and doing all the tiling. If I install the sanitary fixtures myself, I wouldn’t have any scheduling conflicts with the general contractor. My plan is to have the GC’s plumber only make the connections at the correct positions. They can keep their standard fixtures. Then I would buy the bathtub, etc., at a better price and either install everything myself or hire another company for the installation.
Could this work? What should I consider regarding drywall work — is it done before or after the installation of the sanitary fixtures?
I would appreciate any suggestions or experience reports related to this kind of project.
andimann schrieb:
But seriously, a washbasin for €13,000? Is it made of gold, or does it come with a virgin holy priestess who brushes your teeth in the morning???And why do people put themselves through this?
To be able to build at a (supposedly) fixed price.
In the end, you still end up paying more.
€13,000 for the washbasin. That can’t be justified by either the service or the materials. Those prices are purely esoteric, because the client has already signed. You can get away with it then.
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Peanuts7420 Aug 2016 17:16As far as I remember, it was about the entire "system" including the mirror. So, a few thousand can easily be spent on that, and five figures is definitely a stretch...
@Knallkörper
As I mentioned earlier, I’m interested in the vanity from Keuco.
Could you please specify the exact model name so that I and others can get an idea?
Of course, everyone should install what they like and prefer, but there might be alternatives that are just as good.
For example, we always liked mirrors that cost around 2,000 € (approximately $2,100) in showrooms.
Now we ordered a custom-made mirror online for 309 € (around $325), which is equivalent in quality (at least visually, with a minor drawback but another advantage). The mirror wasn’t even offered by our house builder.
Additionally, you can create a matching design with base cabinets from a carpenter, a kitchen manufacturer, or even Ikea for much less money.
Faucets are usually available in similar designs from other companies, though they often don’t show them in their showrooms, where the significantly more expensive furniture tends to be displayed.
Often, some compromises can be accepted when the price is a fraction of the original. After installation, you happily remember the vanity for its affordable price and can still enjoy the appearance.
As I mentioned earlier, I’m interested in the vanity from Keuco.
Could you please specify the exact model name so that I and others can get an idea?
Of course, everyone should install what they like and prefer, but there might be alternatives that are just as good.
For example, we always liked mirrors that cost around 2,000 € (approximately $2,100) in showrooms.
Now we ordered a custom-made mirror online for 309 € (around $325), which is equivalent in quality (at least visually, with a minor drawback but another advantage). The mirror wasn’t even offered by our house builder.
Additionally, you can create a matching design with base cabinets from a carpenter, a kitchen manufacturer, or even Ikea for much less money.
Faucets are usually available in similar designs from other companies, though they often don’t show them in their showrooms, where the significantly more expensive furniture tends to be displayed.
Often, some compromises can be accepted when the price is a fraction of the original. After installation, you happily remember the vanity for its affordable price and can still enjoy the appearance.
Bauexperte schrieb:
Somewhere in your bathroom, the cold and hot water connections (sealed with construction stoppers) come out of the wall.OK, then that was a misunderstanding. I assumed that the connections were installed and that the tiles were cut out at that spot.
13,000, wow. I’d bury myself in that to avoid wasting the money.
Our vanity unit with mirror cabinet cost us 1,300€ extra and was near the top of the list.
However, there was also a cabinet that would have cost an additional 5,000€. In my opinion, an absolutely hideous piece and only suitable for a 30sqm (323 sq ft) bathroom because it was so oversized.
Our vanity unit with mirror cabinet cost us 1,300€ extra and was near the top of the list.
However, there was also a cabinet that would have cost an additional 5,000€. In my opinion, an absolutely hideous piece and only suitable for a 30sqm (323 sq ft) bathroom because it was so oversized.
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Knallkörper22 Aug 2016 13:22ypg schrieb:
@Knallkörper
As I mentioned earlier, I’m interested in the washbasin from Keuco.
Could you please specify the exact model name so that I and others have an idea?
Of course, everyone should install whatever they prefer and choose, but there might be equivalent alternatives.
For example: we always liked mirrors that cost around €2000 in the showroom.
Now we ordered a custom-made mirror online for €309 that is equivalent (at least visually, with one downside but another advantage). The mirror was not included with the house supplier anyway.
Also, you can create the same design much cheaper with vanity units from a carpenter, kitchen manufacturer, or stores like Ikea.
Faucets are often available in similar designs from other companies, although they don’t usually display them in showrooms, where mostly the significantly more expensive furniture can be found.
Often, you can accept some compromises if the price difference is substantial. After installation, you happily remember the washbasin’s low price and enjoy the look as well.
Hello!
I can copy that. We’re now looking for alternatives.
2.00 pcs Keuco Royal 60 washbasin 1055x538 mm (41.5x21 inches) white
2.00 pcs Keuco Edition 11 vanity cabinet 1050x535x350 mm (41.3x21x13.8 inches)
1.00 pc Keuco Edition 11 sideboard
1.00 pc Keuco Edition 11 glass shelf 366x3x524 mm (14.4x0.1x20.6 inches)
2.00 pcs Keuco Edition 400 single-lever washbasin faucets with drain fittings chrome, delivery
2.00 pcs Keuco Edition 400 recessed mirrored cabinet 1060x650 mm (41.7x25.6 inches)
2 doors
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