ᐅ Our floor plan of 120 sqm on a 469 sqm plot of land

erfurter110287 schrieb:
Apparently, people from the East are also satisfied with less. And now you can hate me as much as you want.

Now I have to say something about this.
Please leave out the stupid East-West Germany discussion. There are enough users here who come from East Germany as well. By the way, I myself am a proud East German.
Nobody hates you, and no one wishes you any harm.

Topic drying laundry (last point): In a rental apartment, you have to accept compromises. If you don’t like the compromise, you look for another apartment and move out.
However, when you build your own house, you try to design it in a way that requires as few compromises as possible. You only get one chance to get it right when building your own home (unless, as mentioned above, you want to build three times).

It’s really disappointing to see the level of discussion here...
... once again, a sad outcome of wasted time...

Care for a cup of tea?

ypg schrieb:

A cup of tea, please?

Oh yes, I’ll have one. Please add valerian – my blood pressure needs to come down first...

erfurter110287 schrieb:
There is a storage room available!!!

The storage room under the stairs? OK, can you imagine it in 3D? The room is as wide as the door (90 cm (35 inches)). Stand in a door frame to get an idea of how wide that is. Where exactly do you want to put a shelf? Store beverage crates? And still be able to enter the space?
Apart from the fact that it’s only sufficiently tall at the front, the stairs actually run into the back part.

Everyone calm now?
We posted this here to get some feedback from others on certain points. No problem at all. We listen to everything. We don’t want to attack anyone. But we just don’t like it when measurements are not read correctly. When we have to explain everything over and over even though it’s clearly shown in the floor plan. As you can see, we have already taken some things into account, adjusted from the beginning and done things differently. We also asked five times if the plan was okay, both with the architect and our real estate agent. The laundry issue is the least important thing for us, just as an example.

Currently, we live in a 75m² (807 sq ft) apartment with a 4m² (43 sq ft) cellar where our car tires, two bikes, and a few boxes are stored. Of course, a house means even more storage space. That’s why we plan to build a shed above the area behind the carport. For now, we store drinks in our 3.80m (12.5 ft) kitchen countertop. As you can see, the kitchen is now larger and was planned yesterday. All other tools are currently stored in our hallway furniture, which will later be moved to the storage room inside the house. A stroller also fits under the rest of the stairs.

This is roughly summarized how we’ve thought everything through.

I hope it is clear now and understandable that we mean no harm to anyone here. Sometimes, maybe it helps to reread a thread that has been quiet for a while to understand some points better.

Thanks and best regards from Erfurt.

Hello,

this kind of bickering is honestly starting to get on my nerves more and more...

You asked questions about your floor plan and received reasonable answers. You don’t have to like them, but that doesn’t mean this forum is a wish fulfillment service!

erfurter110287 schrieb:

As we were told, the plaster will only be applied on the outside of the wall and a thin layer on the inside because it’s supposed to be a breathable masonry.

There will still be a continuous 1 cm (0.4 inch) plaster layer applied all around. For such a small “room,” every centimeter counts; however, I also don’t understand the architect here. In my opinion, they should know better how much space the gas condensing boiler, buffer tank, electrical/water connections, and necessary piping will take up. I already feel sorry for the technician who will need to service or replace parts later on.

By the way, what does he say about the window areas in the attic?

erfurter110287 schrieb:

Just as a side note: I can still accept everything written here about the heating system. But I can’t understand making such a big deal about drying laundry here. Our real estate agent, architect, and the whole family agree on this.

Just as a side note – either you’re having your period or just having a bad day? I’ve read the entire thread, and not a single user has been rude to you; everyone has kept a professional tone. And regarding “making a big deal” about the fact that laundry should be dried in the living room – I would rather say you have no clue what you’re getting yourself into. With all due respect, your real estate agent and architect want to sell. They couldn’t care less if your site manager later points out the additional costs caused by the fact that the currently planned heating system won’t work as intended. Does your budget allow for that?

Since you wrote at one point that “more house is not possible” (which is not a flaw at all; for every builder, their investment represents a significant commitment – regardless of the actual final figure), you should be grateful that basically strangers are pointing out weaknesses in your planning; they don’t get paid for this but happily share their experience with you. Your reaction comes across as emotionally driven.

Your ground floor layout can be easily modified; I’ve attached my idea for you. You have the option to access the utility room either through an interior sliding door via the kitchen or through the storage room under the stairs; the headroom should be sufficient. By positioning the utility room this way, you also create a direct connection from the vehicle to the utility room without having to go around a corner first. The previous utility room can then be converted into a laundry/drying room.

Regarding drying laundry in the living room: aside from my personal lack of desire to keep a drying rack in the living area indefinitely, you bring additional moisture into the house on top of the 8 liters (2 gallons) per day of humidity that are typically generated by a normal household. This moisture is not removed by heating alone or only with high energy use. It then condenses at the coldest spots, usually the window. Do you really want to live in constant haze?

As you rightly mentioned, the ground floor space is tight – again, not a bad thing. BUT where do you want to live with children’s toys, your own stuff, and a drying rack?

erfurter110287 schrieb:

Apparently, people from the East are satisfied with less. And now you can hate me as much as you want.

You are talking nonsense and should reconsider your box thinking.

erfurter110287 schrieb:

In the end, everyone will say that 250,000 is never enough for such a house.

No one claimed that – not even I did – and that should really make you think. Take Yvonne’s advice and have a cup of tea, coffee, or if you like, something stronger; this was quite normal in the 18th century and by no means taboo if it happens at what would be considered an “unsocial” hour today.

Addendum:

I forgot to mention this in my previous reply. If you find this version worth considering, the bathroom on the attic floor should be swapped with the children’s room on the opposite side.

Regards, Bauexperte