We are currently planning our floor layout and would like to get another opinion:
Plot size: 472 sqm (16 * 29.5 meters)
Slope: no (plot is 1 m (3 ft) below street level)
Floor area ratio: 0.4
Gross floor area ratio: 0.8
Building envelope, building line, and boundary: 5 m (16 ft) setback from the street, 16 m (52 ft) wide and 14 m (46 ft) deep
Edge development: no (garage allowed)
Number of parking spaces: 2
Number of floors: 2
Roof type: 20–45 degrees or flat roof
Style: no specifications
Orientation: no preference
Maximum heights/limits: unknown
Other requirements: surface water infiltration
Requirements from the homeowners
“Standard” gable roof without special features
Living area approx. 130 sqm (1,400 sq ft)
Occupants: 2 adults + 1 child (1 more planned)
With basement (firstly, we want one, and secondly, it was said that for a lower level plot it doesn’t make sense not to build one)
Guest room used as a family office and for guests (about once every 2 months)
No open kitchen
No fireplace
House design
Design comes from the planner of the general contractor
The house would be rotated about 20 degrees to the right on the plot
Knee wall height is 75 cm (30 inches)
Roof pitch is 45 degrees
Garage is planned on the left side of the house
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Ground floor:
The pantry is intended as a storage room for vacuum cleaner etc., but we are now leaning towards removing it completely to have more space in the hallway for a coat rack etc., possibly to avoid it becoming too tight(?) and to reserve the guest room for these items instead.
The kitchen should actually be large enough, but should it be made slightly bigger if the pantry is removed?
The guest toilet is small, but I know the size from my parents’ house and find it sufficient.
We would also like to have a window on the right side in the living room, near the dining table.
Upper floor:
We are unsure about the different sizes of the children’s rooms, but think it is still within a reasonable range?
Thanks in advance!
Plot size: 472 sqm (16 * 29.5 meters)
Slope: no (plot is 1 m (3 ft) below street level)
Floor area ratio: 0.4
Gross floor area ratio: 0.8
Building envelope, building line, and boundary: 5 m (16 ft) setback from the street, 16 m (52 ft) wide and 14 m (46 ft) deep
Edge development: no (garage allowed)
Number of parking spaces: 2
Number of floors: 2
Roof type: 20–45 degrees or flat roof
Style: no specifications
Orientation: no preference
Maximum heights/limits: unknown
Other requirements: surface water infiltration
Requirements from the homeowners
“Standard” gable roof without special features
Living area approx. 130 sqm (1,400 sq ft)
Occupants: 2 adults + 1 child (1 more planned)
With basement (firstly, we want one, and secondly, it was said that for a lower level plot it doesn’t make sense not to build one)
Guest room used as a family office and for guests (about once every 2 months)
No open kitchen
No fireplace
House design
Design comes from the planner of the general contractor
The house would be rotated about 20 degrees to the right on the plot
Knee wall height is 75 cm (30 inches)
Roof pitch is 45 degrees
Garage is planned on the left side of the house
-------------
Ground floor:
The pantry is intended as a storage room for vacuum cleaner etc., but we are now leaning towards removing it completely to have more space in the hallway for a coat rack etc., possibly to avoid it becoming too tight(?) and to reserve the guest room for these items instead.
The kitchen should actually be large enough, but should it be made slightly bigger if the pantry is removed?
The guest toilet is small, but I know the size from my parents’ house and find it sufficient.
We would also like to have a window on the right side in the living room, near the dining table.
Upper floor:
We are unsure about the different sizes of the children’s rooms, but think it is still within a reasonable range?
Thanks in advance!
We thought that a 45° corner on the ground floor would make the space feel more open and avoid having such a "sharp" edge in the middle of the living/dining area, so it wouldn’t be a rigid rectangle. However, the argument for the tall cabinet is also appealing... I need to discuss this again with my wife.
If the hallway on the upper floor is made rectangular, the entire wall would have to be moved up slightly, which would likely reduce the floor space of the children's rooms compared to the bedrooms even more.
We had also considered having two sinks, but we currently have two in our apartment and noticed that we actually only use one of them.
If the hallway on the upper floor is made rectangular, the entire wall would have to be moved up slightly, which would likely reduce the floor space of the children's rooms compared to the bedrooms even more.
We had also considered having two sinks, but we currently have two in our apartment and noticed that we actually only use one of them.
BeHaElJa schrieb:
You should definitely test placing the bed in the upper floor to avoid hitting your head.Bedrooms on the upper floor with a sloped ceiling used to be common, still are, and will remain so despite the trend for urban villas. The 2-meter (6 ft 7 in) height clearance line you mentioned is fine 🙂 I’m only mentioning this because I’ve seen you refer to it several times, even though a standard 2-meter (6 ft 7 in) clearance line exists on the upper floor.
Final schrieb:
We also considered two sinks, but we currently have two in our apartment and noticed that we actually only use one.But you plan to be a family of four eventually — and the kids will grow up! Then bathroom usage will look quite different...
Edit: Remove the pantry and use the gained space as an open wardrobe without walls.
Remove the sloped wall in the kitchen, as @BeHaElJa already pointed out: sloped walls reduce usable floor area.
Upstairs, I would keep the sloped walls... there are enough of them to almost create a straight corridor space again 😉
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Baujulchen15 Sep 2015 08:29I follow floor plan posts purely out of extreme self-interest ;-)
I would have suggested similar improvements as already mentioned here.
It is very important to me (we currently have this combination) that the pantry and utility/technical room are separate...
A dryer produces so much heat that food doesn't always like that... (The heating system is currently in the guest bathroom – it is also very warm there... I don’t want to have it later combined with the storage room in one area either.
Regarding the topic of two sinks: for us it was absolutely unnecessary (the kids are now grown, so we have experience).
Nobody really needs it... When the kids are old enough that two sinks might be useful because everyone wants or needs to get ready at the same time in the morning, the kids don’t want to be in the bathroom with someone else at the same time anymore :-) Even siblings want their privacy eventually...
I personally also prefer to be alone in the bathroom, waking up properly and enjoying being a bit grumpy in the morning... What’s the point of having multiple sinks if everyone is already grumpy in the morning because they have to get ready together in a small space...
Our solution for this: a second shower / a sufficient sink in the guest bathroom – this works better :-) otherwise, a clear time schedule has also worked wonders ;-)
I would have suggested similar improvements as already mentioned here.
It is very important to me (we currently have this combination) that the pantry and utility/technical room are separate...
A dryer produces so much heat that food doesn't always like that... (The heating system is currently in the guest bathroom – it is also very warm there... I don’t want to have it later combined with the storage room in one area either.
Regarding the topic of two sinks: for us it was absolutely unnecessary (the kids are now grown, so we have experience).
Nobody really needs it... When the kids are old enough that two sinks might be useful because everyone wants or needs to get ready at the same time in the morning, the kids don’t want to be in the bathroom with someone else at the same time anymore :-) Even siblings want their privacy eventually...
I personally also prefer to be alone in the bathroom, waking up properly and enjoying being a bit grumpy in the morning... What’s the point of having multiple sinks if everyone is already grumpy in the morning because they have to get ready together in a small space...
Our solution for this: a second shower / a sufficient sink in the guest bathroom – this works better :-) otherwise, a clear time schedule has also worked wonders ;-)
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Baujulchen15 Sep 2015 08:50Correction:
The technical room is in your basement (sorry, I was mentally thinking of a different floor plan^^) – so there is no risk of the pantry and technical room being combined...
Personally, I wouldn’t remove the pantry. Even if most of the storage might be in the basement (drink crates, potatoes, and so on), we would always plan for a pantry if the floor plan allows it.
The technical room is in your basement (sorry, I was mentally thinking of a different floor plan^^) – so there is no risk of the pantry and technical room being combined...
Personally, I wouldn’t remove the pantry. Even if most of the storage might be in the basement (drink crates, potatoes, and so on), we would always plan for a pantry if the floor plan allows it.
Thank you very much for the responses so far.
My wife is still not convinced about removing the pantry and has proposed the following alternative (see attachment).
In my opinion, the pantry then becomes so small that it is no longer proportionate, and you don’t really gain much extra space with this solution.
My wife is still not convinced about removing the pantry and has proposed the following alternative (see attachment).
In my opinion, the pantry then becomes so small that it is no longer proportionate, and you don’t really gain much extra space with this solution.
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