Dear forum community,
The electrical subcontractor from my general contractor has now reached out, saying he would like to finally discuss the electrical planning on site (at the construction site). I know that normally it is recommended to plan this trade from the very beginning, but that was not possible with my general contractor and the subcontractor; they explicitly wanted to do it only once the shell is finished.
Now, I would like to tap into the forum’s knowledge and your experience for general tips regarding electrical planning.
First, the standard equipment from my general contractor:
[QUOTE=Scope of work from the general contractor]
You will receive the complete electrical installation according to VDE standards including
meter cabinet, distribution panel, equipotential bonding, circuit breakers, and residual-current devices in the building.
Standard switch program and sockets (Elso, Berker, Jung or Busch/Jaeger) — white. Connected load of the
house: 14.5 kW. Battery-powered smoke detectors will be installed in all required rooms.
For underfloor heating, all rooms will have room temperature sensors. CAT 7 network cabling consisting
of one RJ45 double socket in the living and bedrooms and a patch panel in the utility room.
Hallway
1 lighting point
1 two-way switch
1 double socket outlet
1 doorbell system with chime in the hallway
1 external lighting point
House connection room
1 lighting point
1 off switch
1 double socket outlet
1 connection for outdoor temperature sensor
1 socket for the washing machine
Kitchen
1 lighting point
1 off switch
4 double socket outlets
1 socket for the refrigerator
1 socket for the dishwasher
1 cooker connection outlet
1 socket for the extractor hood
Living room
2 lighting points
2 two-way switches
4 double socket outlets
1 antenna empty conduit
1 telephone empty conduit
1 lighting point for the terrace
Guest WC
1 lighting point
1 off switch
1 double socket outlet
Each additional room
1 lighting point
1 off switch
3 double socket outlets
Bathroom
2 lighting points
2 off switches
4 socket outlets
[/QUOTE]
Furthermore, it is clear from my side that I need deep flush-mounted boxes for the blinds and shutters. I plan to equip these with Shellys for centralized control (probably at a later stage).
Other thoughts we have already considered:
- We do not want spotlights
- If in doubt, rather one double socket outlet and a power strip than banks of quadruple outlets
- We have already purchased square and rectangular LED panels (a total of 7) which will provide basic lighting, but we have absolutely no idea about specialized lighting concepts. Indirect lighting is already a familiar term.
- We cannot afford professional lighting consultation.
- I am interested in automatic lighting control with motion/presence sensors. Is this easily retrofit-able in a conventional electrical installation? Can such systems be time-controlled? For example, in the hallway, the light turns on via motion sensor, but after 10 p.m. (22:00) only dimmed and after midnight (0:00) not at all? Additionally, overridable by a switch?
- My wife likes cold, very bright light, while I prefer cozy, warm light. The aforementioned LED panels are adjustable. Are there alternative options for this?
From your perspective, what are the most important things to consider? What practical solutions have you implemented beyond the standard equipment that you would not want to miss?
Anyone is welcome to make concrete proposals. My floor plans can be found here (please ignore the furniture shown):
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/lage-stadtvilla-oder-efh-auf-500-m2-rechteck.33505/post-409926
Thanks and best regards,
Tolentino
The electrical subcontractor from my general contractor has now reached out, saying he would like to finally discuss the electrical planning on site (at the construction site). I know that normally it is recommended to plan this trade from the very beginning, but that was not possible with my general contractor and the subcontractor; they explicitly wanted to do it only once the shell is finished.
Now, I would like to tap into the forum’s knowledge and your experience for general tips regarding electrical planning.
First, the standard equipment from my general contractor:
[QUOTE=Scope of work from the general contractor]
You will receive the complete electrical installation according to VDE standards including
meter cabinet, distribution panel, equipotential bonding, circuit breakers, and residual-current devices in the building.
Standard switch program and sockets (Elso, Berker, Jung or Busch/Jaeger) — white. Connected load of the
house: 14.5 kW. Battery-powered smoke detectors will be installed in all required rooms.
For underfloor heating, all rooms will have room temperature sensors. CAT 7 network cabling consisting
of one RJ45 double socket in the living and bedrooms and a patch panel in the utility room.
Hallway
1 lighting point
1 two-way switch
1 double socket outlet
1 doorbell system with chime in the hallway
1 external lighting point
House connection room
1 lighting point
1 off switch
1 double socket outlet
1 connection for outdoor temperature sensor
1 socket for the washing machine
Kitchen
1 lighting point
1 off switch
4 double socket outlets
1 socket for the refrigerator
1 socket for the dishwasher
1 cooker connection outlet
1 socket for the extractor hood
Living room
2 lighting points
2 two-way switches
4 double socket outlets
1 antenna empty conduit
1 telephone empty conduit
1 lighting point for the terrace
Guest WC
1 lighting point
1 off switch
1 double socket outlet
Each additional room
1 lighting point
1 off switch
3 double socket outlets
Bathroom
2 lighting points
2 off switches
4 socket outlets
[/QUOTE]
Furthermore, it is clear from my side that I need deep flush-mounted boxes for the blinds and shutters. I plan to equip these with Shellys for centralized control (probably at a later stage).
Other thoughts we have already considered:
- We do not want spotlights
- If in doubt, rather one double socket outlet and a power strip than banks of quadruple outlets
- We have already purchased square and rectangular LED panels (a total of 7) which will provide basic lighting, but we have absolutely no idea about specialized lighting concepts. Indirect lighting is already a familiar term.
- We cannot afford professional lighting consultation.
- I am interested in automatic lighting control with motion/presence sensors. Is this easily retrofit-able in a conventional electrical installation? Can such systems be time-controlled? For example, in the hallway, the light turns on via motion sensor, but after 10 p.m. (22:00) only dimmed and after midnight (0:00) not at all? Additionally, overridable by a switch?
- My wife likes cold, very bright light, while I prefer cozy, warm light. The aforementioned LED panels are adjustable. Are there alternative options for this?
From your perspective, what are the most important things to consider? What practical solutions have you implemented beyond the standard equipment that you would not want to miss?
Anyone is welcome to make concrete proposals. My floor plans can be found here (please ignore the furniture shown):
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/lage-stadtvilla-oder-efh-auf-500-m2-rechteck.33505/post-409926
Thanks and best regards,
Tolentino
kbt09 schrieb:
I had a general agreement, ... for the next house I want that too 😀
kbt09 schrieb:
By the way, here in the Ore Mountains region, it’s typical to have a window outlet for the Schwibbogen in every window. We didn’t even include these outlets in the plans separately. That was also part of the general agreement, Oh no, because of a Schwibbogen phobia and my preference for fewer holes and outlets, I’m withdrawing the general authorization and saying: if I had known about this issue, I would have done it differently 😉
pagoni2020 schrieb:
I thought you had back problems...
Maybe it’s old-fashioned, but why bend down to plug in the vacuum cleaner if you can do it standing up... says my wife No, I don’t have back problems, just like I don’t have sloped platforms in the bathroom or an old-fashioned layout with a closed kitchen: for our single-family house, one outlet in the hallway is perfectly enough to use the vacuum cleaner. But the real reason: I don’t like touching outlets when I’m feeling for the light switch.
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pagoni20204 Apr 2021 08:46motorradsilke schrieb:
Because the outlet at the switch or at that height just looks terrible. I’d rather bend down anyway.Really?? I thought I was a bit odd because I don’t like many things, but that wouldn’t bother me as long as the switch or outlet looks neat. I guess I’m more of a Bauhaus fan, following “form follows back,” in case someone ever asks me to do that.
Tsk tsk... these young ones, no idea about age-related issues... planning a 3-meter (10-foot) turning radius everywhere in the house for a low-profile walker in old age, yet bending down for the outlet. Did you plan for staff to help you back up afterwards?
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pagoni20204 Apr 2021 08:53ypg schrieb:
But the real reason is: I don’t like touching outlets when I’m feeling for the light switch.Really? I always find it interesting to understand why someone does something. It’s good to know you’re not the only one with such “quirks” 😎 . That’s exactly why people have their own home — so they don’t have to explain anything and can just do things their way. It’s this kind of individuality that I often look for here among all the sameness. Maybe someone should start a thread about this.......
pagoni2020 schrieb:
Did you arrange for someone to lift you back up afterwards?No, but by now we have a cordless vacuum cleaner 😎
Oh, may I ask about the brand and your satisfaction?
My Rowenta vacuum cleaner is not popular with my wife; she believes it should be able to pick up whole pieces of kitchen paper (from the dog) and leaves (from her plants). She firmly claims a Dyson can do this. I wonder if it can actually do that or if Dyson is just good at advertising. I find the company CEO so unlikable that I would prefer to avoid buying from them...
My Rowenta vacuum cleaner is not popular with my wife; she believes it should be able to pick up whole pieces of kitchen paper (from the dog) and leaves (from her plants). She firmly claims a Dyson can do this. I wonder if it can actually do that or if Dyson is just good at advertising. I find the company CEO so unlikable that I would prefer to avoid buying from them...
Tolentino schrieb:
She insists firmly that a Dyson can do this. I’m not a fan of that company—completely overpriced for an E9-level salary. That unit is heavy too, isn’t it?
We have a nimble AEG CX7—my husband regularly pulls out an unbelievable amount of dust (where does the vacuum even find it?), but it can’t perform magic either. A good purchase!
Remember the power outlets!
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