ᐅ New Single-Family Home Construction – Gas or Air Source Heat Pump + Photovoltaic System + Energy Storage?
Created on: 25 Apr 2021 14:18
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Hello everyone,
I will be building a house in 2021/2022 and will live in it myself. It’s a 10x10 meter (33x33 feet), 1.5-story standard single-family house. The roof is a pitched roof with a 40-degree pitch, ridge direction North/South (so the roof faces East/West and can be equipped with photovoltaic panels).
Now, my question: Gas is available in the area. Which heating technology would you recommend?
Gas? Air-source heat pump + photovoltaic + battery storage? Ground-source heat pump? Or something completely different?
And who can give me advice like this without any hidden profit motives (like heating installers always pushing gas, etc.)?
Regards,
Flo
I will be building a house in 2021/2022 and will live in it myself. It’s a 10x10 meter (33x33 feet), 1.5-story standard single-family house. The roof is a pitched roof with a 40-degree pitch, ridge direction North/South (so the roof faces East/West and can be equipped with photovoltaic panels).
Now, my question: Gas is available in the area. Which heating technology would you recommend?
Gas? Air-source heat pump + photovoltaic + battery storage? Ground-source heat pump? Or something completely different?
And who can give me advice like this without any hidden profit motives (like heating installers always pushing gas, etc.)?
Regards,
Flo
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RotorMotor4 Sep 2021 18:11Gerddieter schrieb:
And why exactly should I base my decisions on what "ONE" supposedly does or does not do...?Because of the general or your (green) conscience?D
Deliverer5 Sep 2021 10:39There is social behavior and its opposite. Anyone who wants to live in a pleasant community should follow the agreed consensus.
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Gerddieter5 Sep 2021 12:26Deliverer schrieb:
There is social behavior and the opposite of it. Whoever wants to live in a pleasant community should follow the consensus. Ah, that’s an interesting statement!
So, there is only right or wrong and nothing in between...
And what the (supposedly) correct consensus is, is decided by individual "forum veterans" and then has to apply to everyone...
Sorry for going off topic, but I couldn’t leave this nonsense uncommented.
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Deliverer5 Sep 2021 12:28No. Almost 100% of climate scientists agree on that.
And in a broader sense, you wouldn’t want to live next to someone who "only deals a little" with drugs, or who is "just the pimp" of a prostitute. No, you want neighbors who also follow the consensus.
That’s why I fully stand by my interesting statement. Because it’s good. ;-)
And in a broader sense, you wouldn’t want to live next to someone who "only deals a little" with drugs, or who is "just the pimp" of a prostitute. No, you want neighbors who also follow the consensus.
That’s why I fully stand by my interesting statement. Because it’s good. ;-)
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pagoni20205 Sep 2021 12:52Still, your stance remains very black and white when you label gas usage as inherently antisocial.
On the other hand, is excessive electricity consumption caused by technology considered standard today included in this consensus? From constantly heated, oversized living spaces out of pure "luxury," warm floors in the bathroom, heated towels, cameras here, automation there, driving kids to school instead of taking the train or public buses out of convenience, electrifying and heating everything imaginable... you could list many such examples that certainly apply to you as well.
I currently drive a relatively new diesel vehicle (outside the consensus) but cover very few kilometers (miles), never drive fast, and often walk instead. I consume very little overall (except unfortunately too many calories 🤨) and repeatedly encounter people who define the "right" way of life by, for example, not having gas installed or driving an electric car. This is then often used as justification for all the other bad habits they also exhibit. Oh no, they have declared themselves indisputably good simply because they have a heat pump or drive an electric vehicle, which is enough for them to point fingers at others. Sorry, but that’s just simplistic!
I keep hearing or reading from so-called know-it-alls who, in reality, live quite comfortably. Despite having a wood-burning fireplace, gas, and diesel, it is possible to have a significantly lower environmental impact than many self-proclaimed eco role models.
Therefore, I find your blanket accusation against a stranger—that installing gas is inherently unsocial—completely misplaced. One should dig a little deeper... and, above all, start with oneself first!
On the other hand, is excessive electricity consumption caused by technology considered standard today included in this consensus? From constantly heated, oversized living spaces out of pure "luxury," warm floors in the bathroom, heated towels, cameras here, automation there, driving kids to school instead of taking the train or public buses out of convenience, electrifying and heating everything imaginable... you could list many such examples that certainly apply to you as well.
I currently drive a relatively new diesel vehicle (outside the consensus) but cover very few kilometers (miles), never drive fast, and often walk instead. I consume very little overall (except unfortunately too many calories 🤨) and repeatedly encounter people who define the "right" way of life by, for example, not having gas installed or driving an electric car. This is then often used as justification for all the other bad habits they also exhibit. Oh no, they have declared themselves indisputably good simply because they have a heat pump or drive an electric vehicle, which is enough for them to point fingers at others. Sorry, but that’s just simplistic!
I keep hearing or reading from so-called know-it-alls who, in reality, live quite comfortably. Despite having a wood-burning fireplace, gas, and diesel, it is possible to have a significantly lower environmental impact than many self-proclaimed eco role models.
Therefore, I find your blanket accusation against a stranger—that installing gas is inherently unsocial—completely misplaced. One should dig a little deeper... and, above all, start with oneself first!
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pagoni20205 Sep 2021 13:10Deliverer schrieb:
No. That is the conclusion of nearly 100% of climate scientists.
And, in a broader sense, you wouldn’t want to live next to someone who “only deals a little” drugs or “only is a pimp for one prostitute.” Sorry, but those are weak comparisons.
Would you want to live next to someone who beats their spouse, humiliates their employees, sells unfair loans to their clients, is a disruptive musician making life miserable for their neighbors, a pastor who... etc., yet you live as anyone else does.
I have met pimps who had an agreed-upon relationship with the prostitute, something I as an ordinary person could never have imagined, but both sides liked it that way. I also know pleasant people who “dealt” cookies or weed, etc.; these are just simplistic, black-and-white views. By comparison, coming home to your family every evening “idling” the engine is considered acceptable here.
Surely, there are people who wouldn’t want to live next to you (or me). But to defame someone because they have a gas heating system installed is just nonsense, and your comparisons don’t make it any better.
Deliverer schrieb:
No, you want neighbors who adhere to the consensus. Do me a favor and please list the points of this social consensus and who exactly established it. I’m already familiar with the reference to climate science, which I fully agree with (101% agreement, despite currently still owning a diesel car and having a gas heating system)!
So what exactly is our current, universally accepted consensus?
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