ᐅ New Construction with Sand-Lime Brick and External Thermal Insulation Composite System (ETICS) – Any Criticism?

Created on: 5 Aug 2016 09:52
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mikiliki1232
Hello Forum,

We are planning a new building using calcium silicate blocks plus an external thermal insulation composite system (ETICS).

I’m sure many of you are familiar with the critical videos about ETICS on YouTube. Yesterday, I watched this one:

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High-level experts and former employees of ETICS companies confirm the issues within the industry here.

This perspective can unsettle a layperson. However, in my opinion, the research and analysis were thorough.

I understand that ETICS has been around for many years. In all these videos, it’s only criticized.

But no one explains how to build properly in this context.

In your opinion, is there some truth to this? Or is ETICS just highly rated because of lobbying?

Regards,
Confused layperson
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Bieber0815
8 Aug 2016 22:31
Bauexperte schrieb:
the energy recovery

It is not the worst option. Especially since we otherwise also burn various things (gas, oil, coal, waste, etc.).
f-pNo8 Aug 2016 22:56
Mycraft schrieb:
That has always been possible... the idea that it is hazardous waste is just a myth spread by opponents...

Back in 2012 / 2013, when we were looking into building a house and had companies presenting their products to us, I also searched online about ETICS (expanded polystyrene) and hazardous waste.
At that time, the first or second search result was a statement from the Federal Environment Agency classifying this insulation material as hazardous waste. That settled any remaining doubts — we decided not to build with ETICS.

About two months ago, I looked for that article again because I wanted to send it to a member here via private message. I simply could not find it anywhere online.

I don’t know whether it was removed due to new findings that invalidate the hazardous waste classification or because of new recycling methods.
Maybe such a statement from the government did not fit into the state’s energy-saving strategy or the insulation material that it recommends as a universal solution.

However, I find it surprising that a top-ranking Google result has completely disappeared.

But — whatever. We have built, moved in 1.5 years ago, and that issue is behind us now.
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Legurit
8 Aug 2016 23:09
There are also ETICS made from cork or wood fiber... as mentioned before
bluminger17 Aug 2016 11:29
zod schrieb:
The much more interesting fact is that expanded polystyrene (EPS) insulation is banned in the EU, but Germany has a special regulation allowing its use so the industry can make good profits.

What are the alternatives, or which materials are used for this purpose outside of Germany?
sirhc17 Aug 2016 15:01
We will also install external thermal insulation composite systems (ETICS), but not using expanded polystyrene (EPS) because it is too rigid, which negatively affects the overall sound insulation performance of the exterior wall (we have specific requirements/restrictions here).

On the other hand, mineral wool has a positive impact – this is what we are currently planning. The additional material cost for the entire house compared to EPS is 800 EUR, which is manageable.
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toxicmolotof
17 Aug 2016 16:54
@sirhc
And then simply apply base plaster, finish plaster, and paint over the stone wool insulation. Is that it?

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